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what a puss

Rich your opinion please which is better:

Fighting with an injury like Shogun did with Forrest and losing in the process, (at which point jack arses state that it makes no difference shouldn’t fight injured your problem a loss is a loss).

OR

Pull out due to injury and only fight when your healthy so there is nothing to fall back on after a fight but you disappointed some fans, (generating comments like this fighter or that fighter is a *****)?

I prefer they pull out if injured because I know that if Shogun was in full throttle and shape and healthy, there is no way Forrest would have beat him… we could argue all night but Shogun was injured… I think he should have pulled out and gotten the surgery and waited to debut in January instead…

I am sure if had pulled there would be a few people here calling him a ***** though…

I have no problem with a fighter pulling out because of injury but they have to be careful when they do it because it could cost them title shots (that they might never get a chance at again…Karo) or the UFC might just decide not to fight them anymore.
And yes that is the longest sentance in the world.

There is a difference between pulling out of a fight once and pulling out of a fight over and over again. David Terrell, I mean cmo’n the guy used to be one of the up-and-coming stars of the division back in the day before he got spanked by Evan Tanner. He never fights on a regular basis and keeps pulling the same routine. Btw, there’s no tellling what kind of “injury” he has, so if it is some ******** injury that most fighters fight with, you guys can’t say “it’s ok for him to pull out”.

[quote comment="11078"]Rich your opinion please which is better:

Fighting with an injury like Shogun did with Forrest and losing in the process, (at which point jack arses state that it makes no difference shouldn’t fight injured your problem a loss is a loss).

OR

Pull out due to injury and only fight when your healthy so there is nothing to fall back on after a fight but you disappointed some fans, (generating comments like this fighter or that fighter is a *****)?[/quote]
kansas
fighters fight with injuries all the time but im calling him a puss cuz he does this all the time

[quote comment="11088"]There is a difference between pulling out of a fight once and pulling out of a fight over and over again. David Terrell, I mean cmo’n the guy used to be one of the up-and-coming stars of the division back in the day before he got spanked by Evan Tanner. He never fights on a regular basis and keeps pulling the same routine. Btw, there’s no tellling what kind of “injury” he has, so if it is some ******** injury that most fighters fight with, you guys can’t say “it’s ok for him to pull out”.[/quote]

People were saying the same thing about Pierre last year…. I get it I understand what you mean, but still, as soon as Terrell goes on a win streak all will be forgiven…

I see wheere you guys are coming from, its a double edged sword, you drop out because of injury, it looks bad. You go ahead and fight injured, you likely lose the fight, then be considered a ***** when it comes out you were injured. Even if you dont say it yourself, the press will dig it up, then ask you about it and if you say yes i was injured, they take it as an excuse blah blah..

Yes all fighters train injured, but its the degree of injury man. If you have a sprained big toe or something, its something you could still fight, though it would definately affect your performance. If you have a sprained knee… uhhh.. no.. lol.

In the case of Terrell, im sure its a serious injury, probably from his many recurring injuries, at this point, he should really consider retiring. It sucks, but when that happens, you just dont have the tools anymore to be competative.

[quote comment="11094"]I see wheere you guys are coming from, its a double edged sword, you drop out because of injury, it looks bad. You go ahead and fight injured, you likely lose the fight, then be considered a ***** when it comes out you were injured. Even if you dont say it yourself, the press will dig it up, then ask you about it and if you say yes i was injured, they take it as an excuse blah blah..

Yes all fighters train injured, but its the degree of injury man. If you have a sprained big toe or something, its something you could still fight, though it would definately affect your performance. If you have a sprained knee… uhhh.. no.. lol.

In the case of Terrell, im sure its a serious injury, probably from his many recurring injuries, at this point, he should really consider retiring. It sucks, but when that happens, you just dont have the tools anymore to be competative.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree BV, especially when you DON’T have the tools to be the champ… just get out of there, I mean if your injured and you have the cash… go… enjoy what you’ve earned and quit being a disappointment to your fans..

ya Kansas, eventually everyones gotta hang it up, not necessarily because of age, but more like mileage. Look at Saku, he achieved alot at his prime, but now, without even 1 good leg to stand on, he doesnt belong in the ring, cage or whatever. Especially after that bad performance against Royce, who shouldnt have been there either! hehe.. theyre great champs man.. but theyre done.

[quote comment="11096"]ya Kansas, eventually everyones gotta hang it up, not necessarily because of age, but more like mileage. Look at Saku, he achieved alot at his prime, but now, without even 1 good leg to stand on, he doesnt belong in the ring, cage or whatever. Especially after that bad performance against Royce, who shouldnt have been there either! hehe.. theyre great champs man.. but theyre done.[/quote]
sad but true.

mileage thats what im talking about with wandy ,hes been in a lot of wars man if he loses to chuck should he retire or think about it at least?

[quote comment="11093"][quote comment="11088"]There is a difference between pulling out of a fight once and pulling out of a fight over and over again. David Terrell, I mean cmo’n the guy used to be one of the up-and-coming stars of the division back in the day before he got spanked by Evan Tanner. He never fights on a regular basis and keeps pulling the same routine. Btw, there’s no tellling what kind of “injury” he has, so if it is some ******** injury that most fighters fight with, you guys can’t say “it’s ok for him to pull out”.[/quote]

People were saying the same thing about Pierre last year…. I get it I understand what you mean, but still, as soon as Terrell goes on a win streak all will be forgiven…[/quote]
this is the fourth time terrel has pulled out due to injury ,so i dont think people are saying the same thing as they were for gsp

[quote comment="11098"]mileage thats what im talking about with wandy ,hes been in a lot of wars man if he loses to chuck should he retire or think about it at least?[/quote]

man, i didnt even wanna admit that Saku was done before that last fight, so for Wandy.. same thing.. ive been wrong before, but call it faith if you want, hes not done yet man! he cant be done, the Wandy era cant be over now that mma has taken such a great turn!

MAN DAVID TERREL SUCKS…. BE A MAN SUCK IT UP

we got some events coming up guys.. nothing amazing, but still worth a look… EliteXC this Friday we get to see Nick Diaz back in action..

Then next week, Strikeforce on friday, some nice matchups there too.

Then ufc 78 the next day on saturday..

Atleast somethings happening soon..

[quote comment="11115"]we got some events coming up guys.. nothing amazing, but still worth a look… EliteXC this Friday we get to see Nick Diaz back in action..

Then next week, Strikeforce on friday, some nice matchups there too.

Then ufc 78 the next day on saturday..

Atleast somethings happening soon..[/quote]
is anybody ordering ufc 78?im going to the sports bar myself it should be a great night of fights though.

[quote comment="11115"]we got some events coming up guys.. nothing amazing, but still worth a look… EliteXC this Friday we get to see Nick Diaz back in action..

Then next week, Strikeforce on friday, some nice matchups there too.

Then ufc 78 the next day on saturday..

Atleast somethings happening soon..[/quote]
yes sir my boy Nick “Puff Daddy” Diaz will whoop KJ Noons asss to become the first ever EliteXC light weight champ. also im a bit curious to see Kimbo vs. Bo CANtrell. it looks like they trying to show how Kimbo can knock someone out but what ever it’ll be fun to watch.

I SEE MIR SUBMITTING LESNAR VERY QUICK.. GO MIR….
GO DIAZ

I was kinda suprised that they gave lesnar someone like Mir first. I thought they would give him some easier opponent to let him get some experience. I think Mir will sub him out also. I’m sure it will be a good fight but I think Mir has the ground game to beat him. Diaz should have little problem with KJ unless his ego gets the better of him and he starts thinking he’s a better boxer. If the fight goes to the groung Diaz should be able to get the win. I’m not sure what Bo Cantrell has as far as a ground game but that’s probably the best game plan. Kimbo has been training so maybe he picked a few things up. I still think it will be a couple of years before he can be a real threat to true MMA fighters.

[quote comment="11118"][quote comment="11115"]we got some events coming up guys.. nothing amazing, but still worth a look… EliteXC this Friday we get to see Nick Diaz back in action..

Then next week, Strikeforce on friday, some nice matchups there too.

Then ufc 78 the next day on saturday..

Atleast somethings happening soon..[/quote]
is anybody ordering ufc 78?im going to the sports bar myself it should be a great night of fights though.[/quote]

My best friend is a Doctor and an MMA lover, he pays every month, and we have had MMA “parties” every month for the past 2 years, but he is NOT ordering UFC 78, we will hit the sports bar for this one, use the $40 bucks to buy wings… lol

[quote comment="11123"]I SEE MIR SUBMITTING LESNAR VERY QUICK.. GO MIR….
GO DIAZ[/quote]

I don’t know… Lesner has trained with Gracie in Cali and with Militech… so he might not go down as quick as everyone thinks.. matter of fact he may over power Mir then take down and G N P.. who knows though .. kind of a waste to sign him then put him with a guy that can beat him first fight out…

mad
diaz has great boxing but no real power,if u look at the gomi fight diaz was giving gomi some great shots but couldnt knock him down but if u look at the shots gomi was chucking then u see power vs technique,but anyway i still am a diaz fan i predict some kind of submission in the first round.

is lesnar going to be fighting mir?

I agree with you there Kansas.. I dont think it will be “easy” for anyone to submit Lesnar. Even without roids it not hard to tell the guys a powerhouse. With his world class wrestling and whatever he managed to learn in mma so far hes a real threat to anyone. In the standing game we can assume he is unskilled, but if he connects with a hook or something.. it will HURT! plus hes shown to have a solid chin against body slams hehe im pretty sure it would hold up to punchs too, as long as he keeps his jaw tight.

I dunno guys, Lesnar has a pretty good chance of winning this fight.

[quote comment="11131"]is lesnar going to be fighting mir?[/quote]

Yes Richard, check out the story on the sidebar there..

[quote comment="11132"]I agree with you there Kansas.. I dont think it will be “easy” for anyone to submit Lesnar. Even without roids it not hard to tell the guys a powerhouse. With his world class wrestling and whatever he managed to learn in mma so far hes a real threat to anyone. In the standing game we can assume he is unskilled, but if he connects with a hook or something.. it will HURT! plus hes shown to have a solid chin against body slams hehe im pretty sure it would hold up to punchs too, as long as he keeps his jaw tight.

I dunno guys, Lesnar has a pretty good chance of winning this fight.[/quote]

Amen to that… I am not rooting for him.. but I am looking at the logistics of the fight and it seems to be on a pretty even keel

[quote comment="11134"][quote comment="11131"]is lesnar going to be fighting mir?[/quote]

Yes Richard, check out the story on the sidebar there..[/quote]

Lol… Nope Richard… he is back in the WWE fighting Sergeant Slaughter…

I might have to go with Lesnar in this fight guys.. seriously. Hes definately the underdog, simply because of lack of experience, but hes not a rookie when it comes to competing.

The #1 factor here is the conditioning.. in Lesnars mma debut, it didnt last very long so we couldnt see what his gastank is like. We all know what Mirs about, what hes capable of and what hes not.

Assuming theyre both in good shape, i can see a short feeling out period, then Lesnar will close the gap and clinch. Lesnar will get the takedown, defend an armbar, defend a triangle, then GnP like Kansas said.

ok ive convinced myself lol.. im going with Lesnar.

[quote comment="11138"]ok ive convinced myself lol.. im going with Lesnar.[/quote]

Sounds good, how much of the farm you think we should put on it BV?

[quote comment="11140"][quote comment="11138"]ok ive convinced myself lol.. im going with Lesnar.[/quote]

Sounds good, how much of the farm you think we should put on it BV?[/quote]

hehe not much man.. its not a really solid bet, like the Sylvia vs Vera thing so the amount of the bet will depend on what they set the odds at.

[quote comment="11141"][quote comment="11140"][quote comment="11138"]ok ive convinced myself lol.. im going with Lesnar.[/quote]

Sounds good, how much of the farm you think we should put on it BV?[/quote]

hehe not much man.. its not a really solid bet, like the Sylvia vs Vera thing so the amount of the bet will depend on what they set the odds at.[/quote]

In that case, what do you think about the odds on the Silva vs Liddell fight, and how do you see yourself betting on that one?

Sucks that every time I come to MMAHQ to post something… I have to look at washed up ol’ Titty boy ortiz… he is like the POSTER BOY for this MMA website… sucks…. lol

[quote comment="11142"][quote comment="11141"][quote comment="11140"][quote comment="11138"]ok ive convinced myself lol.. im going with Lesnar.[/quote]

Sounds good, how much of the farm you think we should put on it BV?[/quote]

hehe not much man.. its not a really solid bet, like the Sylvia vs Vera thing so the amount of the bet will depend on what they set the odds at.[/quote]

In that case, what do you think about the odds on the Silva vs Liddell fight, and how do you see yourself betting on that one?[/quote]
i dont see anyone of them being an underdog in the fight there both coming off two loses but wandy the worse of the two so who knows

[quote comment="11143"]Sucks that every time I come to MMAHQ to post something… I have to look at washed up ol’ Titty boy ortiz… he is like the POSTER BOY for this MMA website… sucks…. lol[/quote]
yeah they should put forrest choking out shogun up there

it sounds like a bunch of you guys are a bit hesitant to get on the Lenar band wagon. im not one to shy away from looking dumb so here we go… Lesnar will destroy the washed up Mir and over the next year or so becomes somewhat of a “real” mma fighter and i think he will hold the title at some point (ok i know, but bare with me) like many people have stated the UFC is built for wrestlers most good wrestlers do very well in the UFC (Sherk, Hughes, Couture) because of the rule set. Brock is an insanely good wrestler and he is a beast. a vet like Mir should be able to beat a rookie like Lesnar fairly easy, but how hard is it going to be to contend with Brock size, speed, and power. i am jumping on the Lesnar bandwagon now and win, lose, or draw i will be rooting for him (hoping he doesnt turn out to be another boring wrestler) flame on flamers.

[quote comment="11147"]it sounds like a bunch of you guys are a bit hesitant to get on the Lenar band wagon. im not one to shy away from looking dumb so here we go… Lesnar will destroy the washed up Mir and over the next year or so becomes somewhat of a “real” mma fighter and i think he will hold the title at some point (ok i know, but bare with me) like many people have stated the UFC is built for wrestlers most good wrestlers do very well in the UFC (Sherk, Hughes, Couture) because of the rule set. Brock is an insanely good wrestler and he is a beast. a vet like Mir should be able to beat a rookie like Lesnar fairly easy, but how hard is it going to be to contend with Brock size, speed, and power. i am jumping on the Lesnar bandwagon now and win, lose, or draw i will be rooting for him (hoping he doesnt turn out to be another boring wrestler) flame on flamers.[/quote]
i think big nog or gonzaga is going to be the next champ gonzaga cuz hes powerful and great on the ground and big nog cuz hes straight up a true mma artist great standup and even better ground skills,he just got caught with a kick in his last match

SOUNDS LIKE ALOT OF YOU DUDES ARE GIVING LESNAR TOO MUCH CREDIT

DOC….

I THINK WE ALL AGREE MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHANGE OUT THE BANNER????

I don’t think Lesnar could pick up enough submission defense in that short time to be able to not get caught. Mir looked pretty impressive his last fight and even looked in shape for the first time in years. Brock will have to take the fight to the ground which will be to his disadvantage. He is big and powerful but we all know that strength and size doesn’t win fights skill and technique usually do. Unless he fights like Sherk a lay and pray artist he will have trouble winning this fight. If he ends up on the bottom he’s in trouble Mir has some slick submissions. I have to go with technique and experience on this one.

They should have given him a Jake O’Brien or something to make him look good in his debut.

[quote comment="11151"][quote comment="11147"]it sounds like a bunch of you guys are a bit hesitant to get on the Lenar band wagon. im not one to shy away from looking dumb so here we go… Lesnar will destroy the washed up Mir and over the next year or so becomes somewhat of a “real” mma fighter and i think he will hold the title at some point (ok i know, but bare with me) like many people have stated the UFC is built for wrestlers most good wrestlers do very well in the UFC (Sherk, Hughes, Couture) because of the rule set. Brock is an insanely good wrestler and he is a beast. a vet like Mir should be able to beat a rookie like Lesnar fairly easy, but how hard is it going to be to contend with Brock size, speed, and power. i am jumping on the Lesnar bandwagon now and win, lose, or draw i will be rooting for him (hoping he doesnt turn out to be another boring wrestler) flame on flamers.[/quote]
i think big nog or gonzaga is going to be the next champ gonzaga cuz hes powerful and great on the ground and big nog cuz hes straight up a true mma artist great standup and even better ground skills,he just got caught with a kick in his last match[/quote]
yeah im not going as far as saying Lesnar will be the next champ just that someday he will hold it. Nog sound like a likely candidate to hold it next provided the gives him the chance to fight for it.

[quote comment="11152"]SOUNDS LIKE ALOT OF YOU DUDES ARE GIVING LESNAR TOO MUCH CREDIT[/quote]
[quote comment="11154"]I don’t think Lesnar could pick up enough submission defense in that short time to be able to not get caught. Mir looked pretty impressive his last fight and even looked in shape for the first time in years. Brock will have to take the fight to the ground which will be to his disadvantage. He is big and powerful but we all know that strength and size doesn’t win fights skill and technique usually do. Unless he fights like Sherk a lay and pray artist he will have trouble winning this fight. If he ends up on the bottom he’s in trouble Mir has some slick submissions. I have to go with technique and experience on this one.[/quote]
Brock has been with the Gracies for about a year now i would hope he picked up SOME submission defensive technique by now.

I train BJJ at a Gracie school also and you do pick up a lot but using it in a combat situation against a real black belt is a different story. I guess we will see what he has learned because he will need it. I’ve been training for a little over ten months and have a blue belt and I’m working on obtaining my purple belt but BJJ takes time. In a year unless they are giving belts away he’s probably only a blue belt himself. His size is his biggest stength but most of that is nullified when the fight hits the ground. I’m not saying Mir will take him easily but I think experience wil make the difference. If he does get subbed out easy the UFC wasted a lot of hype on him. I think they should start him out a little slower and let him get some experience before they give him top guys.

WHO GIVES A **** IF HES WITH THE GRACIES FOR A YEAR.. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN BONNAR AFTER HE TRAINED WITH THE GRACIES… GOT HIS *** STOMPED

[quote comment="11160"]WHO GIVES A **** IF HES WITH THE GRACIES FOR A YEAR.. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN BONNAR AFTER HE TRAINED WITH THE GRACIES… GOT HIS *** STOMPED[/quote]
patrick
on stephan bonnar i agree the guy is a golden gloves boxer,has a black belt in i think karate or tae kwon doe ,and does bjj he should be a lot better than he is

ALTHOUGH IVE BEEN IMPRESSED IN BONNARS LAST 2 FIGHTS

[quote comment="11146"][quote comment="11143"]Sucks that every time I come to MMAHQ to post something… I have to look at washed up ol’ Titty boy ortiz… he is like the POSTER BOY for this MMA website… sucks…. lol[/quote]
yeah they should put forrest choking out shogun up there[/quote]

F-YOU! Maybe we should have me ground and pounding… Richard this time maybe..

[quote comment="11160"]WHO GIVES A **** IF HES WITH THE GRACIES FOR A YEAR.. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN BONNAR AFTER HE TRAINED WITH THE GRACIES… GOT HIS *** STOMPED[/quote]

Patrick, read the ENTIRE post, you hit on Gracie, what about Militech and Gracie, why not bag on the white boys from Ohio?

Bonner won his past 2… he was good enough on the ground to avoid the beatdown, so he got that from training bjj w the gracies, give credit where its due .. oh if the Gracies were white and from Ohio I am sure you would be bowing down right!??

[quote comment="11160"]WHO GIVES A **** IF HES WITH THE GRACIES FOR A YEAR.. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO STEPHEN BONNAR AFTER HE TRAINED WITH THE GRACIES… GOT HIS *** STOMPED[/quote]

Another thing.. you can train all day long but if you suck as a student then you suck period.. so don’t go blaming the camp that started it all when the student has a track record of doping and being over hyped on his one shining moment with Forrest…

KANSAS

I SAID BONNER IS IMPRESSING ME LATELY… CUZ UR SUCH A CRYBABY IM GONNA GO AGAINST WAND FROM NOW ON… RICHARD AND I…IT DOESNT MATTER WHERE YOU TRAIN.. MATTERS IF YOU HAVE THE TALENT TO EXECUTE WHAT YOU TRAINED

@patrick
bro you should have been against wandy from the get go!!! LOL especially since it is kansas’s best friend…ha!! LETS GO CHUCK!!!

YEA FREINDS WITH BENEFITS LOL

DOC… DO YOU HONESTLY TERREL HAS A PROMISING FUTURE IN THE UFC?

I think Terrel has NO FUTURE in the UFC or anywhere else.

Terrell has fought once in the last 33 months. He has a future in a physical therapy clinic, not the UFC

lol dam Kansas, why you let these guys get under your skin? you know theyre just saying sht they think will get a rise out of you.

in other news.. my xbox 360 just got the 3 RED LIGHTS OF DEATH! nooooooooooooooo!!! fcken cheap azzz microsoft bstards!!!! literally 1 month after the warranty expired! I bet they put some kind of chronometer in there designed to crap out after a year and a moth.

Ive had my PS1 for like.. maybe 10 years now??? and Microsht puts out a product that dies after a year? what kinda sht is that!!! If you havent guessed yet.. im really pissed off!!

LOL SORRY BV

[quote comment="11183"]in other news.. my xbox 360 just got the 3 RED LIGHTS OF DEATH! nooooooooooooooo!!! fcken cheap azzz microsoft bstards!!!! literally 1 month after the warranty expired! I bet they put some kind of chronometer in there designed to crap out after a year and a moth.

Ive had my PS1 for like.. maybe 10 years now??? and Microsht puts out a product that dies after a year? what kinda sht is that!!! If you havent guessed yet.. im really pissed off!![/quote]
my brothers didnt want to read his game anymore after like 7 months.the ps3 is sick but it overheats and is big,its all about the ps2

[quote comment="11172"]KANSAS

I SAID BONNER IS IMPRESSING ME LATELY… CUZ UR SUCH A CRYBABY IM GONNA GO AGAINST WAND FROM NOW ON… RICHARD AND I…IT DOESNT MATTER WHERE YOU TRAIN.. MATTERS IF YOU HAVE THE TALENT TO EXECUTE WHAT YOU TRAINED[/quote]

Wand evidently has the talent to win 30 fights.. *******

[quote comment="11176"]@patrick
bro you should have been against wandy from the get go!!! LOL especially since it is kansas’s best friend…ha!! LETS GO CHUCK!!![/quote]

Obvously he is doing this to get at me, if your jumping on this then your about as intelligent as …

BOOOOO! Patrick..

[quote comment="11183"]in other news.. my xbox 360 just got the 3 RED LIGHTS OF DEATH! nooooooooooooooo!!! fcken cheap azzz microsoft bstards!!!! literally 1 month after the warranty expired! I bet they put some kind of chronometer in there designed to crap out after a year and a moth.

Ive had my PS1 for like.. maybe 10 years now??? and Microsht puts out a p