Greg Savage at Sherdog.com is reporting that Michael Bisping’s first opponent in the middleweight division will be Charles McCarthy.
Sources close to American Top Team confirmed to Sherdog.com that the fight will take place in London, England on March 8.
Not quite sure which UFC event this will be, considering UFC 82 is already scheduled for March 1 in Ohio. Seems odd that another event would take place only a week later in London unless perhaps the card will be billed as an Ultimate Fight Night event.
“Chainsaw” Charles McCarthy last fought in the UFC at The Ultimate Fighter: Season 4 finale where he submitted Gideon Ray in the first round. Bisping’s last fight was at UFC 78 where he lost the first fight of his career in a split-decision to Rashad Evans.
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GO CHARLES
lol….IS THIS A F–ING JOKE?how does a guy go form fighting on a main even PayPerView card to fighting a C-Level fighter?
this is bull they jason macdonald wanted to fight bisbing that would of been a better match up
what you guys talking about? hes changing divisions, so hes gotta work his way up the ladder again. You expect him to get a title shot or soemthing? he wasnt even close to a title shot at 205 so why would he be high on the list at 185? plus there isnt much talent at 185 anyways, so who do you expect him to fight? Franklin? lol hes not ready for that man.
No BV, of course we don’t expect him to fight for the title, but we sure as hell expect him to fight someone better than Charles
f–ng McCarthy!!!
lol ya i agree with that Amir, Charles doesnt even belong in the UFC.. but as a first fight at MW, who do you think he should be fighting?
[quote comment="12614"]lol….IS THIS A F–ING JOKE?how does a guy go form fighting on a main even PayPerView card to fighting a C-Level fighter?[/quote]
I agree…
[quote comment="12616"]what you guys talking about? hes changing divisions, so hes gotta work his way up the ladder again. You expect him to get a title shot or soemthing? he wasnt even close to a title shot at 205 so why would he be high on the list at 185? plus there isnt much talent at 185 anyways, so who do you expect him to fight? Franklin? lol hes not ready for that man.[/quote]
I gotta agree with Amir on all counts.. seems stupid to me too.. B.J. Penn has fought ZERO low level fighters when moving down… got a title shot when he came back into the UFC almost immediately… Bisping is going from A-List to WTF ..
[quote comment="12621"][quote comment="12616"]what you guys talking about? hes changing divisions, so hes gotta work his way up the ladder again. You expect him to get a title shot or soemthing? he wasnt even close to a title shot at 205 so why would he be high on the list at 185? plus there isnt much talent at 185 anyways, so who do you expect him to fight? Franklin? lol hes not ready for that man.[/quote]
I gotta agree with Amir on all counts.. seems stupid to me too.. B.J. Penn has fought ZERO low level fighters when moving down… got a title shot when he came back into the UFC almost immediately… Bisping is going from A-List to WTF ..[/quote]
You cant compare Bisping to BJ man, BJ is a marquee fighter, thats why he got a quick title shot. I can understand them putting him up against Charles simply because they have NOBODY in the division. Would you rather he was fighting Jorge Rivera? would it make a difference?
Bisping hasnt done very much in the UFC yet, if he was still at 205 and they put him up against someone that low skill level i would be shocked too.
I asked the question 3 times already.. none of you guys have even suggested at an answer yet………. Who do you guys think he should fight???
He hasnt earned the right to fight guys like Marquardt or Swick yet.. maybe Terry Martin?? Leben? Bispings gotta climb the ladder guys, thats all there is to it..
I think Leben vs bisping should be good…..leben’s been up and down in that div…maybe its time to move him to another weight div or org.
[quote comment="12623"][quote comment="12621"][quote comment="12616"]what you guys talking about? hes changing divisions, so hes gotta work his way up the ladder again. You expect him to get a title shot or soemthing? he wasnt even close to a title shot at 205 so why would he be high on the list at 185? plus there isnt much talent at 185 anyways, so who do you expect him to fight? Franklin? lol hes not ready for that man.[/quote]
I gotta agree with Amir on all counts.. seems stupid to me too.. B.J. Penn has fought ZERO low level fighters when moving down… got a title shot when he came back into the UFC almost immediately… Bisping is going from A-List to WTF ..[/quote]
You cant compare Bisping to BJ man, BJ is a marquee fighter, thats why he got a quick title shot. I can understand them putting him up against Charles simply because they have NOBODY in the division. Would you rather he was fighting Jorge Rivera? would it make a difference?
Bisping hasnt done very much in the UFC yet, if he was still at 205 and they put him up against someone that low skill level i would be shocked too.
I asked the question 3 times already.. none of you guys have even suggested at an answer yet………. Who do you guys think he should fight???
He hasnt earned the right to fight guys like Marquardt or Swick yet.. maybe Terry Martin?? Leben? Bispings gotta climb the ladder guys, thats all there is to it..[/quote]
I think he should fight Travis Lutter
Leben vs. Bisping would be a great fight and I think Leben would really test Bisping’s questionable chin. Let’s see who else…
How bout Patrick Cote?
How bout Kendall Grove?
How bout Ed Herman?
How bout Martin Kampann (if healthy)
How bout Terry Martin?
How bout Yushin Okami?
How bout Pete Sell?
How bout Jason MacDonald?
How bout Ivan Salaverry?
Believe it or not, there are a good number of B-Level fighters in the division who could be the “starting point” for Bisping…even though there are other things going on here, at some point in time…al of these guys could have and should have been considered to fight Bisping when he moved down and NOT CHARLES F–ING MCCARTHY!!!
And btw BV…
What about Dan Henderson moving down and getting an immediate title shot?
[quote comment="12626"]Leben vs. Bisping would be a great fight and I think Leben would really test Bisping’s questionable chin. Let’s see who else…
How bout Patrick Cote?
How bout Kendall Grove?
How bout Ed Herman?
How bout Martin Kampann (if healthy)
How bout Terry Martin?
How bout Yushin Okami?
How bout Pete Sell?
How bout Jason MacDonald?
How bout Ivan Salaverry?
Believe it or not, there are a good number of B-Level fighters in the division who could be the “starting point” for Bisping…even though there are other things going on here, at some point in time…al of these guys could have and should have been considered to fight Bisping when he moved down and NOT CHARLES F–ING MCCARTHY!!!
And btw BV…
What about Dan Henderson moving down and getting an immediate title shot?[/quote]
half the guys you mentioned already have scheduled fights, theyre not gonna change that because Bisping decided to move down in weight. The other half are on the upper end of the division. Other than that theres a few guys who really dont belong in the UFC.
Jorge Rivera
Charles Mccarthy
Pete Sell
Lodune Sincaid
why are these guys still around? simple, they need fodder in the division. C level fighters for the B level guys to beat up on their way up the ladder. Would you be happy if he was fighting Pete Sell? it doesnt make much difference if you ask me..
[quote comment="12626"]And btw BV…
What about Dan Henderson moving down and getting an immediate title shot?[/quote]
ugh… not this again..
Bisping is NOT Hendo, Bisping is NOT Penn and before someone mentions it, he is NOT Randy either. I dont think i have to explain to you guys why the UFC gave them immediate title shots, you already know, so i dont think its even an issue.
Looks who Bisping fought at LH, Schafer, Sinosic, Hamil and Evans. So what makes you think he should move to a new division and immediately fight guys like Okami and Mcdonald? He hasnt earned the right to fight those guys yet. If you guys think he has, thats your opinion. In my eyes, Bisping hasnt done anything yet and he still has to prove himself. Especially at a new division, who knows what could happen, the cut could affect his power or stamina, you cant just leap into the division like that when your a new fighter like Bisping.
I think that would be a great fight actually. Even though Sell
“sel-dom” wins, he fights his heart out and likes to brawl. And yes, I know many of those guys either had just fought or will have a fight coming up, my point was still that there are “BETTER” fighters for him to be matched up with than a guy who was an asterisk in the reality show. Are you telling me that you prefer this fight over Bisping and one of the others I mentioned?
P.S. Only Grove and Cote have upcoming fights in the next 2 months so if my 1st grade math is correct here, I do believe that leaves some others left to fight by march of 08′.
Well, lets just say i understand why theyre giving Bisping a low level opponent, it didnt really shock me when it was announced. If he was fighting Sell, that would be fine with me too, i just dont see why everyone is so…. offended? that hes fighting Charles. I dont think Charles even belongs in the UFC, but hes there, so hes gotta fight someone…
I dont think Bisping is the issue at all.. hes fighting whoever they put in front of him, the problem is the UFC. They release all the wrong guys and keep all the wrong guys, they fail to sign the right guys, blah.. its a whole big mess if you ask me..
Why not bring Loiseau back? why not sign Frank Shamrock or mayem miller? theres guys out there who are much more interesting to watch than guys like Mccarthy or Rivera…
[quote comment="12628"][quote comment="12626"]And btw BV…
What about Dan Henderson moving down and getting an immediate title shot?[/quote]
ugh… not this again..
Bisping is NOT Hendo, Bisping is NOT Penn and before someone mentions it, he is NOT Randy either. I dont think i have to explain to you guys why the UFC gave them immediate title shots, you already know, so i dont think its even an issue.
Looks who Bisping fought at LH, Schafer, Sinosic, Hamil and Evans. So what makes you think he should move to a new division and immediately fight guys like Okami and Mcdonald? He hasnt earned the right to fight those guys yet. If you guys think he has, thats your opinion. In my eyes, Bisping hasnt done anything yet and he still has to prove himself. Especially at a new division, who knows what could happen, the cut could affect his power or stamina, you cant just leap into the division like that when your a new fighter like Bisping.[/quote]
Once you set a precedent it cannot be discriminated upon. BV.. I understand you but you are wrong on this.. BJ’s one of my favorite fighters, but his record is not even as good as Bispings… nor is Randy’s .. of course Bisping has fought “cans” for the most part but it is what it is.. he retains a winning record with one less win than Couture and 7 less losses than him… I don’t like him much by the way, but I am arguing a POINT..
[quote comment="12631"]I dont think Bisping is the issue at all.. hes fighting whoever they put in front of him, the problem is the UFC. They release all the wrong guys and keep all the wrong guys, they fail to sign the right guys, blah.. its a whole big mess if you ask me..
Why not bring Loiseau back? why not sign Frank Shamrock or mayem miller? theres guys out there who are much more interesting to watch than guys like Mccarthy or Rivera…[/quote]
I completely agree with you on this… wheres the SHAMROCKS period. they helped found this org and Dana is an idiot… same with Victor, the guy should be able to come and go as he pleases on one fight contracts, he has the name rec. and the skill, Fedor, get him for one freaking fight, pay him AND Randy 10mil each and call it good… would bring much recognition to the UFC but NOOOOOOOO….
[quote comment="12633"][quote comment="12628"][quote comment="12626"]And btw BV…
What about Dan Henderson moving down and getting an immediate title shot?[/quote]
ugh… not this again..
Bisping is NOT Hendo, Bisping is NOT Penn and before someone mentions it, he is NOT Randy either. I dont think i have to explain to you guys why the UFC gave them immediate title shots, you already know, so i dont think its even an issue.
Looks who Bisping fought at LH, Schafer, Sinosic, Hamil and Evans. So what makes you think he should move to a new division and immediately fight guys like Okami and Mcdonald? He hasnt earned the right to fight those guys yet. If you guys think he has, thats your opinion. In my eyes, Bisping hasnt done anything yet and he still has to prove himself. Especially at a new division, who knows what could happen, the cut could affect his power or stamina, you cant just leap into the division like that when your a new fighter like Bisping.[/quote]
Once you set a precedent it cannot be discriminated upon. BV.. I understand you but you are wrong on this.. BJ’s one of my favorite fighters, but his record is not even as good as Bispings… nor is Randy’s .. of course Bisping has fought “cans” for the most part but it is what it is.. he retains a winning record with one less win than Couture and 7 less losses than him… I don’t like him much by the way, but I am arguing a POINT..[/quote]
Its not about quantity of fights, its about quality, you telling me because of Bispings “record” you would bulk him in with Randy and BJ??
Lets look at Charles, 10 wins all by sub and 4 losses.. his record isnt too bad, but where would you put him as a fighter? and hes fought tougher guys than Bisping did lol. Just goes to show its not about the numbers..
[quote comment="12635"][quote comment="12633"][quote comment="12628"][quote comment="12626"
Its not about quantity of fights, its about quality, you telling me because of Bispings "record" you would bulk him in with Randy and BJ??
Lets look at Charles, 10 wins all by sub and 4 losses.. his record isnt too bad, but where would you put him as a fighter? and hes fought tougher guys than Bisping did lol. Just goes to show its not about the numbers..[/quote]
Really BV, you sure about all that??? Because I don’t think that is the reality of how the UFC promotes and signs for big fights, its about who is POPULAR not who is the BEST.. look at the records ect. .. I mean Wand gets Chuck first fight, Bisping… should be getting someone besides the CAN he is getting.. in a great world, you would be correct and we would see fights assigned by quality not quantity, but in reality, its neither of those, its popularity, and Bisping is the most popular fighter in England and becoming one in the USA..
BV,
I completely agree with you in that the UFC is f–ed up in setting up this louse of a fight for Bisping. If I understand you correctly, you were implying that Bisping is uncomparable to the Hendos and Penns because he hasn’t accomplished anything substantial in the sport. From a marketing standpoint, Bisping is much more recognizable than Hendo or even BJ Penn, especially since they were both out of the American MMA limelight while he was getting famous on the TV show. To the average mainstream UFC fan, who doesn’t really follow the sport like you and I, Hendo and Penn are just as nameless as Charles McCarthy to the majority of the public. There’s no doubt that they could have found someone better for him to fight…this is a substantial step backwards for him.
P.S. I’m pretty sure that the Shamrocks are done with the UFC.
Ya i agree with everything you just said Amir, it sucks that the majority of people will sooner recognize Bisping than Penn or Hendo, but it true. To be honest, i liked Bisping from the beginning, but i dont consider him anywhere near a veteran fighter.
To be perfectly honest i dont really care who he fights at this point, same with Mccarthy. Im pretty excited to see Mcfedries next fight, that should be interesting!
[quote comment="12643"]BV,
I completely agree with you in that the UFC is f–ed up in setting up this louse of a fight for Bisping. If I understand you correctly, you were implying that Bisping is uncomparable to the Hendos and Penns because he hasn’t accomplished anything substantial in the sport. From a marketing standpoint, Bisping is much more recognizable than Hendo or even BJ Penn, especially since they were both out of the American MMA limelight while he was getting famous on the TV show. To the average mainstream UFC fan, who doesn’t really follow the sport like you and I, Hendo and Penn are just as nameless as Charles McCarthy to the majority of the public. There’s no doubt that they could have found someone better for him to fight…this is a substantial step backwards for him.
P.S. I’m pretty sure that the Shamrocks are done with the UFC.[/quote]
Uhhh no kidding the Shamrocks are done with the UFC … the point implied was that the UFC should make a better effort at signing the biggest named talent .. ie Frank Shamrock, Fedor, ect..
@Kansas
I think its because alot of people dont respect Frank, because of his bad personality the say he “sucks”. Look at our own mmahq top10 rankings.. do you see Frank up there? you think someone like Okami or Marquardt would seriously beat frank? … I like when fighters are humble and everything, but its about fighting man.. These days its becoming more of a popularity contest than a ranking system. Its bad for mma and its bad for fight matchups which screws us, the fans..
Who really gives a sht about Bisping? hes got alot to learn before hes a contender at any division. I would laugh so hard if Mccarthy submitted him, or just humped him for 3 rounds.
Theres no doubt that the UFC SHOULD be doing things like signing the top talent out there but that’s an entirely different discussion. There was actually a great link posted here by Dr. J last week which was a long article specifically about 6 top fighters (Mark Hunt, Josh Barnett, etc.) who still have not been signed by any organization…and it went into detail about the overall impact of these guys not having a home to fight. I strongly recommend everyone reads it.
[quote comment="12646"]@Kansas
I think its because alot of people dont respect Frank, because of his bad personality the say he “sucks”.
Look at our own mmahq top10 rankings.. do you see Frank up there? you think someone like Okami or Marquardt would seriously beat frank? … I like when fighters are humble and everything, but its about fighting man.. These days its becoming more of a popularity contest than a ranking system. Its bad for mma and its bad for fight matchups which screws us, the fans..
Who really gives a sht about Bisping? hes got alot to learn before hes a contender at any division. I would laugh so hard if Mccarthy submitted him, or just humped him for 3 rounds.[/quote]
i totally get what you mean about Frank, im guilty of hating on him too. i hate on Frank for his attitude not his fighting and i know thats a bit counter productive from a hardcore fan to NOT want to see one of the best fighters, fight. the issue i have with Mr.Shamrock is that he is a d*ckhead and cocky as hell. i like when a fighter is cocky if there is a chance he might lose (Krazy Horse, Nick Diaz) it pisses me off when a guy like Frank Shamrock says to a guys like Barroni “your a hand picked opponent and your just here to get beat” and he means it. i guess it comes down to Frank is too good at what he does and that bugs me, man im a hater lol.
You know what all,
As much as I used to hate guys like Frank Shamrock back in the days for being such cocky a–holes…what I wouldn’t give to see a great fight promotor like him back in the cage.
Back in the days, fighters and their fight camps, actually had scores to settle with each other and they made sure to let everyone else know it…and we fans were able to know that it was genuine. Today, these guys go in there with a little too much respect for one another and in my opinion, it makes for incredibly boring fights. It’s so obvious the hype is fake…especially when after the 3rd and final Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock fight, we all heard Shamrock telling Ortiz, “cmon’ bro, we made a lot of money together”. I absolutely loved the way Frank Shamrock toyed with Baroni’s meathead brain, it was genious and Matt Hughes does the same thing btw. I don’t remember when I was so hyped to watch a fight before that one. And, it turned out to be a great war too.
YALL GOTTA LIKE FRAN,… HES A DIAZ… OR A TITO… SOME ******** ARE FUKTARDS ARE GOOD FOR THE SPORT…
[quote comment="12646"]@Kansas
I think its because alot of people dont respect Frank, because of his bad personality the say he “sucks”.
Look at our own mmahq top10 rankings.. do you see Frank up there? you think someone like Okami or Marquardt would seriously beat frank? … I like when fighters are humble and everything, but its about fighting man.. These days its becoming more of a popularity contest than a ranking system. Its bad for mma and its bad for fight matchups which screws us, the fans..
Who really gives a sht about Bisping? hes got alot to learn before hes a contender at any division. I would laugh so hard if Mccarthy submitted him, or just humped him for 3 rounds.[/quote]
Gotta say … I AGREE MAN… ITS ABOUT FIGHTING!
[quote comment="12650"]You know what all,
As much as I used to hate guys like Frank Shamrock back in the days for being such cocky a–holes…what I wouldn’t give to see a great fight promotor like him back in the cage.
Back in the days, fighters and their fight camps, actually had scores to settle with each other and they made sure to let everyone else know it…and we fans were able to know that it was genuine. Today, these guys go in there with a little too much respect for one another and in my opinion, it makes for incredibly boring fights. It’s so obvious the hype is fake…especially when after the 3rd and final Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock fight, we all heard Shamrock telling Ortiz, “cmon’ bro, we made a lot of money together”. I absolutely loved the way Frank Shamrock toyed with Baroni’s meathead brain, it was genious and Matt Hughes does the same thing btw. I don’t remember when I was so hyped to watch a fight before that one. And, it turned out to be a great war too.[/quote]
Frank, IS MARKETABLE! BIGTIME!.. Frank Shamrock vs Anderson Silva?????? would that sell any ppv?????? Would that be a firefight????? cm’on guys… this would be a war to the end.. I would pay for that as the headliner man! ahhhh we need to start a petition and get Dana & his best friend Frank to the table..
Looks like its unanimous, we all like to see bad blood between fighters. Shamrock and Baroni is the perfect example, you cant really hate one guy or the other, theyre both cocky bstards lol. Made for one of the best fights of the year, i still watch that fight sometimes.
The only other fight of its kind in the immediate future is Hughes and Serra, and im sure there will be fireworks if those 2 ever meet in the cage. Ofcourse Hughes will club him, but it will be fun to watch, im sure Serra will put up a bigger fight than Ken did against Tito the last few times.
Merry Xmas btches!
KANSAS
WHO DO YOU THINK ARE THE TOP 5 GUYS IN MMA TO MARKET?
[quote comment="12653"][quote comment="12650"]You know what all,
As much as I used to hate guys like Frank Shamrock back in the days for being such cocky a–holes…what I wouldn’t give to see a great fight promotor like him back in the cage.
Back in the days, fighters and their fight camps, actually had scores to settle with each other and they made sure to let everyone else know it…and we fans were able to know that it was genuine. Today, these guys go in there with a little too much respect for one another and in my opinion, it makes for incredibly boring fights. It’s so obvious the hype is fake…especially when after the 3rd and final Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock fight, we all heard Shamrock telling Ortiz, “cmon’ bro, we made a lot of money together”. I absolutely loved the way Frank Shamrock toyed with Baroni’s meathead brain, it was genious and Matt Hughes does the same thing btw. I don’t remember when I was so hyped to watch a fight before that one. And, it turned out to be a great war too.[/quote]
Frank, IS MARKETABLE! BIGTIME!.. Frank Shamrock vs Anderson Silva?????? would that sell any ppv?????? Would that be a firefight????? cm’on guys… this would be a war to the end.. I would pay for that as the headliner man! ahhhh we need to start a petition and get Dana & his best friend Frank to the table..[/quote]
That would be awesome Kansas! I thikn Frank would be more Marketable than Fedor to the new fans. Simply because hes fighting in the US, and Baroni is nobody to sleep on either. The fact that Frank owned Baroni in the standup game was great! a little cocky on his part but he delivered BIG TIME! He sent a message man, hes done talking the talk and hes back to walking the walk!
come back Frank!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!