- The Quinton Jackson vs Forrest Griffin fight delivered everything we hoped it could. I’ll have to go back and watch the fight again, but I personally had this fight a draw at 47-47. I had Jackson winning rounds 1, 3 and 4 with a 10-9 score, and Griffin taking round 2 with a 10-8 and round 5 with a 10-9. Taking a quick look around online this morning, it appears that other MMA sites agree with me. The FightMetric breakdown of the fight also has Jackson keeping the belt by draw. Not to take anything away from Griffin’s performance, but he really didn’t do any damage in the 3rd and 4th rounds and slightly edged Jackson in a tight 5th and final round. Once again, a UFC belt has changed hands and Griffin is the newest UFC Light Heavyweight champion. How long will he keep the belt? Only time will tell.
- Patrick Cote was able to avoid being submitted by Ricardo Almeida but showed me he really isn’t anywhere close to ready for a shot at the middleweight title. Almeida gassed midway through the second round and wasn’t able to take Cote back to the mat effectively enough to work his BJJ game. A solid win for Cote.
- Joe Stevenson was able to pull out a very surprising guillotine victory over Gleison Tibau. Not surprising that Stevenson won, but the submission came at a surprising time in the second round. Tibau looked very good and it appeared his huge size advantage played out well for him. Another slick choke victory for Stevenson who is once again starting the climb up the UFC lightweight title.
- Josh Koscheck delivered another strong performance in his domination of MMA veteran Chris Lytle. Credit to Lytle for his heart to stay in the fight and continue battling to the very bloody end.
- Melvin Guillard blasted out yet another quick knockout victory. I still want to see Melvin KO someone in the same manner late in the 2nd or 3rd rounds just to see his stamina.
- Can we please get some properly credential judges for MMA events? This is starting to get ridiculous. To judge the Koscheck-Lytle fight anything but a 30-27 or 30-26 victory for Koscheck is unbelievable. How one judge scored the fight 29-28 and one judge scored it 30-28 I will never know. This means one judge scored one of the rounds 10-10 and another scored one of the rounds 10-9 in favor of Lytle! I honestly think the judges might not be able to tell the fighters apart and assigned Koscheck’s scores to Lytle. Where is the consistency? The judging criteria and judge training must be overhauled and these arbitrary, incorrect judging decisions need to end.
- I don’t know where along the MMA evolution chain having the last name Goldberg gave you a birthright to be a color commentator, but clearly survival of the fittest didn’t win out in this case. Mike and Bill seem glad to battle each other for the most obnoxious, moronic color guy on earth.
nope….gotta give it to forrest…what do they always say rampage….don’t let it go to the judges
Doc, i dont see how anyone can think Rampage won that fight. Even Rampage knew he lost the fight when they were waiting for the decision, you didnt see any arguements from him or his corner. I saw it as 3 rounds to 2 for Forrest.
I checked out fightmetric, everytime i look at their stats they look wrong to me. They have Forrest winning the striking 3 rounds to 2, they had the grappling as even, both guys having one attempted takedown but zero successful takedowns. What about in the 2nd round? how do you think Forrest got on top? lol
So by their own stats, Forrest won the striking and the grappling was a draw, then when they go to the TPR thing, suddenly they have Rampage winning the fight lol. How does that work man??
I wanted Rampage to win too, but he lost man, he lost fair an square, no controversy, no excuses, he just didnt get it done..
How bout Tyson Griffin? i think hes one fight away from a title shot. I realize hes a little boring, but hes been steadily fighting tougher and tougher opponents. Hes been improving steadily and he completely dominated Aurelio 3 rounds to none.
Id like to see Tyson fight, Huerta, Kenflo or Joe Daddy next, any one of those guys would be his toughest test yet and if he DOES beat any of those guys, hid next fight should be a title shot..
I THINK bj will indeed fight St. Pierre before Tyson gets him.. I don’t see Tyson doing ANYTHING to Bj.. Penn will kill anyone in the division.. its just a matter of WHEN..
About Almeida, i think i was right, he wasnt quite ready for the step up in competition. He looked great in the 1st round, but he made a critical mistake. When he was in Cotes guard, he decided to try and KO Cote with GnP, big mistake. I dunno if they did their homework on Patrick, or if Almeida just made a bad in-fight decision.
Cote has never been knocked out, and Almeida has never knocked anyone out, i think that says something… So Almeida decided to go for broke, ofcourse he couldnt hurt Patrick and he blew his load trying to KO Cote in the 1st.
2nd round he couldnt even hold his arms up, he gassed, he couldnt get the takedown, he lost any hope of winning this fight.
He was thrown in with Cote WAY too soon, maybe another 2 fights before he got someone like Cote.
wow man there is a LOT more people saying Rampage won then i expected. i dont know if im just judging it weird or what, but at the end of the fight i had it Griffin winning 49-46 but also could have went 48-47 for Griffin and here is why:
Forrest lands 113 different strikes
R1=26,R2=49,R3=14,R4=2,R5=22
Rampage lands 73 different strikes
R1=17,R2=0,R3=8,R4=36,R5=12
by those numbers i have Forrest winning in the striking in rounds 1, 2, 3, and 5 with no strikes from Rampage in round 2 it should be a 10-8 Forrest and with the knock down by Rampage in round 1 you could give him that round, still putting the fight at 48-47 for Forrest by my estimation, at least a far a striking goes.
now in grappling or the lack of, Rampage held Forrest down for about 50 seconds of the first round after diving in to the guard but not a lot of action there.in round two Forrest drags Rampage to the ground after beating up his leg, Forrest moves from half guard to side to mount and drop a few light elbow, and tries a submission, controls the entire round from this position.
round 4 Rampage controls Forrest on the ground for the most part after Forrests failed takedown and does a good job escaping a couple sub attempts (i think Rampage gave Forrest the triangle just to slam him) i seen the Forrest sub attempt as more defensive so i give the grappling aspect to Rampage for this round.
im not sure i give any one fighter the nod in this department, so im gonna call the grappling even.
im going to say Forrest was the aggressor for a bigger portion of the fight so i gotta go with him in that category.
and octagon control was kinda back and forth but i think Forrest set the pace and tempo for the most part so again i gotta give it to him.
maybe i have a bit of bias about this because the fight ended (and when down for the most part) the way i thought it would, if anyone has a good argument to support why Rampage won i would like to hear because i wanna know what i may have missed or why i might be looking at this wrong. sorry for the long post lol.
I think alot of people are thinking Rampage took the 5th round. I got out my pencil and scored it blow by blow.
round 5 scoring
Rampage: 18
Forrest: 28
RJ had it 12-22, i could see that if your counting only the clean shots, i was also counting the partially blocked shots that still got through. In the end our results are still very similar, theres no doubt Forrest won that round on points.
Rampages punches were harder, but i dont think that gives him the round. If the punch stats were even, then i say the harder shots would win, but Forrest definately landed more shots and he took the round. No doubt in my mind..
I have round 5:
Rampage: 12
Forrest: 23
Round 4:
Rampage: 37
Griffin: 4
Round 3:
Rampage: 13
Griffin: 9
Doc, ok atleast we agree on round 5, it was all Forrest, no doubt about that. I agree round 3 was close, but i had round 3, 14-12 in favor of Forrest i think the leg kicks made the difference. They werent all crushing kicks, but if a jab counts a light leg kick counts.
hes my 10point scoring for the whole fight
Rampage - Forrest
1st 10 - 9
2nd 8 - 10
3rd 9 - 10
4th 10 - 9
5th 9 - 10
46 - 48 Forrest Griffin.
if you give Rampage round 3, then i would agree with you to say it was a draw..
But NO WAY Rampage won, thats where i disagree with Fightmetric..
Well, FM had it a 47-47 draw with traditional 10-9 scoring, but using their “TPS” scoring they had Jackson winning on total points.
I dont think Jackson won the fight, I just think it was a draw
DOC, FM doesnt have any breakdown for the 10 point system. They scored the 3rd round 14-8 for GRIFFIN.
If they gave the 3rd to Griffin, how did they end up at 47-47?? thats what i wanna know..
doc???
Yeah, I see what you are saying. I’m not sure where they got their 47-47 score since they don’t break down their “10-point must” numbers.
I’m just saying where I got my 47-47 from.
Here is a page where they explain their TPS system:
http://www.fightmetric.com/TPR.html
My only guess is they gave Jackson round 3. Even though they have Griffin with a 14-8 edge, they are probably giving Jackson the round because he landed more powerful, higher percentage strikes as most of Griffin’s were leg kicks in that round?? I really dont know, just making a guess here.
I had Forrest taking round 2 by a 10-8 margin and also taking round 5 by 10-9. I had Jackson taking rounds 1, 3 and 4 all by a 10-9 margin making it a 47-47 draw. Other than the 5th round, I think Jackson clearly and easily got the better of the striking exchanges and the damage to both fighters show that.
@bv,
I actually love the FightMetrics breakdowns and think their analysis is usually spot on with what truly happened in the fight. Not sure what you are looking at, but FM gave Griffin a 44-0 win in the grappling score. Jackson got no points for grappling as he shouldnt have. But most of the fight didnt take place on the mat and they gave Jackson a 299-233 edge in striking. Not a huge edge but an edge none the less which made the total 299-277. Very, very close - much like I saw it and thought it should have been a draw.
But, thats what’s excellent (and frustrating) about MMA. A lot of it is subjective.
i obviously dont know how to read the Fightmetric breakdown as well as you, i find it kind of confusing. But when i said the grappling thing, what i looked at was the takedowns.
0 for 1 takedowns for both Rampage and Forrest.. thats why i thought they had it even. I disagree with that, Forrest definately got the takedown in round 2.
see thats kinda what im saying, if Forrest didnt win then that fight was a draw. Rampage did not win that fight but Forrest may have, its not out of the question to think the judges all see it as Forrest won. i think one of my big issues is round one most give it to Rampage and i dont know if the big uppercut that dropped Forrest was enough, hear me out. Forrest was winning the standup till Rampage landed that uppercut when Forrest went down Rampage dove in and landed two more punches, at that point Forrest tied him up (he didnt look to be in huge trouble anymore) and scrambled to his feet eventually. Rampage lands the shot at the 1:12 mark and by the 0:24 mark both Forrests feet are back on the mat, so 48 seconds on top and three big punches was enough to steal that round? even though the last 23 seconds looked the same as the first 3 minutes and 45 seconds in Forrests favor? i can understand in boxing a knockdown being a big enough deal to win a round in boxing when your on your back you have NO way of winning the fight, in MMA there is a ton of ways to win off your back and i dont think in MMA a knockdown is anywhere near as significant as other combat sports.
ya i see what you mean RJ, but i mean, if were being as NICE AS POSSIBLE to Rampage, BEST CASE SCENARIO.
1st round To be nice, give it to him for the knockdown 10-9 for Rampage
To be nice, lets say we dont give Forrest a 10-8 for round 2, lets say 10-9 for Forrest
3rd was close, and it was also the most uneventful round, but if you count the shots, Forrest outscored him man.. 10-9 Forrest
4th is all Rampage, nobody disputes that 10-9 Rampage
5th round, was NOT CLOSE, Forrest landed almost double the shots, its all Forrest, no doubt 10-9 Forrest
So if were being as nice as possible to Rampage, he would lose 47-48… showing no favortism and being equal to both guys, round 2 was a 10-8, so the score was 48-46.. which is how the judges scored it and how i scored it..
If you are one of the many that think Griffin won that fight, you are as lame as Dana White. There’s no freaking way Forrest won that fight. ONCE AGAIN, he has being given a fight, since the beginning of his career. Everyone knows that he lost to Stephan Bonner as well, but he still got the Win because that homo (Dana) wanted to see him succeed. I’ve been a MMA fan for many many years, and the UFC is turning into a piece of $hit just like WWE - Now they want to pick who the winner is going to be. F-that. I’m done watching the UFC. How can you become a champion by winning by points?? Without doing anything impressive. How the hell did Griffin made it up there so quick when there are so many other quality fighters out there. Dana White and the UFC are a bunch of ******. I hope that stupid f’n company goes down. If you are a true MMA fight, you should buy the AFFLICTION BANNED fight on July 19. - I used to like Rampage, but he is a sell out as well, he had no f’n scratches on his face and accepted the defeat. Disgusting.
what are you talking about Cez?? explain to me why you think Rampage won that fight? because you cant win the belt on points? i disagree, i dont like that overprotective view of Champions that you have to KO or submit the champ to win.
Forrest danced around an picked him apart on the feet, he destroyed him on the ground, wherever the fight went Forrest landed more shots.
Rampage was hitting harder, but i think that only makes a difference if the points are close to even, if it was even, give it to the harder shots.
And what do you mean Forrest didnt do any damage? you see what he did to his leg? its not only damage to the face that matters..
just so you know, if someone gave the fight to Forrest it was the NSAC not the UFC. im not going to argue any of the other points with you because im not sure if you could be swayed into believing your might be wrong, i just wanted to shed some light on who may have given who a gift decision. the UFC has no say on the judges scorecards.
Heres a link to some post fight presser clips from UFC 86, also after the bell is there, etc.. check it out guys..
http://www.truveo.com/UFC-86-Quinton-Jackson-post-fight-press-conference/id/2595276091
I picked Forrest to win via 4th round submission (as stated on my radio show prior to the PPV last night, which is linked to my name, you know, for Kansas and others who talk sh*t). So I got real excited when I thought Forrest would pull off that triangle in the 4th round.
That being said…I agree that the fight could have been scored a draw. I can also see why Forrest won the decision. What I don’t see is the Rampage nuthuggers crying murder this morning, saying Jackson was robbed and won 4 rounds. That I don’t agree with at all.
Wow i think this is the first time me and Jason agree on something.. Did you see the Fightmetric breakdown where they have Rampage winning on the TPR thing?
DOC, I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING.. look at the total striking numbers for round 3… they have it as 14-8 for Griffin. So if they gave Forrest the 3rd round, how did they come up with a draw?? i dunno what those guys are thinking, but whatever it is, it doesnt come across very clearly. I dont see their point..
these stats are from fightmetric, forgot to put that in my post..
Come on guys! This is not boxing. If they are going to start counting sloppy punches as points to win a championship fight, then this sport will no longer be what it used to be. They cannot decide a championship fight on such a close margin. Look at the fight again mmatko.com. How are you going to say that Forrest was picking Rampage apart if every time they exchanged punches, Forrest would start running away, and when he connected, it didn’t do any damage. I’m not going to deny being a Rampage fan, but that’s not why I’m advocating for him. (And it doesn’t even make sense to be on Rampage’s side b/c he is a sell out and he’s now playing the UFC’s game) It was clear that Forrest hurt Rampage’s knee, but did Rampage backed away?? Did Forrest do anything impressive that makes you think he deserves the championship? Do you really believe Forrest career is succesful?? B.S.!! There’s something behind this decision, Dana is a homo who wants his favorites to be on top. I’m telling you, the UFC will not last long if they continue this sort of b.s.
Im prob one of the biggest Rampage fans out there, i picked him to win this fight, so theres no favortism from me, thats for sure.
But our boy didnt come through man, thats what happend, i was goin nuts after that uppercut in the first, but he couldnt capitalize on it.
If were gonna break it down, Forrest wasnt running, he was moving in and out and he was very technical with the stick an move. Why should he stand toe to toe with a guy like Rampage? he would have no chance, he had a smart gameplan and he EXECUTED it very well against a very dangerous striker.
It wasnt a secret, everyone knew what Forrest was gonna do, but did Rampage try and cut off the cage? try to trap Forrest so he could flurry on him? no.. he just kinda stood in the middle of the cage and he let Forrest setup on him hoping he would land that 1 big shot.
He got beat man.. he got outsmarted, then he got out boxed. Its a sad day for Rampage fans, but thats how it goes man..
i dont think it fair to factor the excitement level of a fighter into the judging, certain styles together make for a boring match sometimes and you cant fault a guy for fallowing his game plan. you cant expect a fighter to follow someone elses game plan just so he can shake things up, thats how you end up losing fights. and to say the challenger shouldnt win in a close fight is crazy, any smart champ would do a little as possible and work for nothing more then a split decision and retain his title for ever.
This fight was an abomination…you guys can go over your scores all day long, but when it comes down to it…just because Forrest might have thrown a few more strikes here and there, this fight should have been a split decision AT THE VERY LEAST, in Rampage’s favor.
In boxing, there are other criteria that need to be considered when fights are too close to call, and in my opinion…Rampage’s striking was much more precise, effective, powerful, and caused a lot more damage to his opponent. I certainly don’t disagree that Forrest won rounds, but overall..this fight should not have been his.
You all might think I’m crazy, but I think this is all one big conspiracy for the UFC to set up future showdowns for their #1 superstar, Chuck Liddell. I don’t think many fans would care about Rampage Liddell 3, so now they opened up a whole new world of possibilities for Griffin!!!
Even when i was watching the fight, even though i was cheering for Rampage, even WITHOUT counting any punches, i knew Forrest won the fight.
After seeing people disagree, i went back and counted, and sure enough, it works out in Forrest favor..
me myself i thought rampage won the fight simply cuz he landed the shots that wobbled forrest more.then at the end when the had raising was going on forrest pulls away when he thought they were going to announce rampages name,so i wasnt the only guy that thought rampage won.but a good close fight and i would love to see the rematch.
Richard, the thing about Forrest thinking he lost right before the decision doesnt mean much.. Forrest was probably thinking he would get robbed because he wasnt decisive enough in his victory to beat the CHAMP.
If you look at Rampage, you can tell he didnt think he won the fight either.. he looked very disapopinted with his performance..
all im saying is be like almeida he knew he lost the fight at least i hope he did but still keep your hands raised
lol ya it was kinda weird, both guys were negative.. maybe 2 negatives makes a positive? hehe
what about goerge gurgel when are they gonna get rid of that guy hes a black belt in bjj and got submitted by cole miller,i know cole has some good bjj but come on dude.
Ya, kinda weird how Cole trains under one of Georges own students and he got subitted.. wow very surprising.. i picked Cole to win by GnP stoppage.
wow i guess this one is going to be a great debate, i like. i have watched the fight probably 15 times or so (sh*t, i got it playing right now lol) and this is one of those thing where i think the judges made the right call but i can fully understand why people think otherwise. it just looks to me like i can see how someone says Forrest won, i can see how someone could say draw, but i dont see how Rampage may have won the fight so i gotta say Forrest won it.
I guess I aint got nothing else to say. All I know is that the UFC is full of crap and their followers will be the same kind of idiotic fanatics the WWE has. They’re going to keep on robbing fights off good fighters and make the “poster boys” winners / champs. Dana has been upset ever since Liddell lost his championship and knows he’ll never get it back. Look at the kind of $hit they’re doing with the Affliction card, they want to monopilize the world. F! the UFC. Buy AFFLICTION’S BANNED on July 19th.
Well Cez, alot worse decisions have been made over the years, im surprised you wouldnt boycott the UFC back then instead of waiting till now.
But ya we all know about affliction Cez, were all buying the affliction card and watching the UFC event later on tivo or online or wherever..
And we will continue watching UFC events and somehow i think you will too hehe.
man like i said before the UFC didnt make Forrest the champ the NSAC did. all the UFC can do to make a fighter the champ is give him the opportunity to fight for the title the rest is up to the fighter and the judges. the only other option is to book a miss match but Forrest was not supposed to be able to beat Rampage so thats not the case here. im not even trying to say your wrong in how you saw the fight, but i am saying your pissed off at the wrong people. im not going to get into if the UFC is shady or not because i know they do some shady things, but this is not one of them and me staying a fan of the UFC doesnt make me any less of an MMA fan. i will be buying the Affliction card on the 19th as well as watching the UFC show after, why? because i love MMA and a bad decision of any sort is not going to change that, i still like EliteXC even though the Kimbo/Thompson was a complete mess as far as the reffing went.
First off CEZ thank God for freedom of speech you are entitled to your idiotic opinions so God bless America and God save the queen and God would you shut your mouth!
Anyways I think Forrest lost, like I said before in other posts, Rampage mentioned his agreement with that and I think Jackson was right to say Forrest doesn’t have knockout power, he DOESN’T and he caught the worst of the damage in this fight… that all being said.. I like MMA and the UFC is the ORIGINAL Pro MMA outlet that is on a GLOBAL scale / recognized as having the best fighters in the world now so I am glad they exist.. they aren’t here to defend the god of MMA they exist to grow themselves as a sport/company and be on top.. good for them ..
Well BV you are about to surpass my number here… thats cool, you are obviously more tuned into MMA than me at this point in life, so lead the conversation bro…
RE: UFC 86 & Beyond… wonder whats next for the division as a whole… I think Jardines loss throws a kink in plans, and if Chuck wins that means Machida, Liddell, and Silva all have their sites on Forrest’s belt and probably all three have a good chance at a title shot..
what do you guys think is next?
Im glad you asked that question Kansas (in my best commentator voice) lol.
Chucks fighting Rashad, so hes out for a while..
Give Machida his shot at Forrest and the title, that might be interesting.
Which sets up Wanderlei vs Rampage 3, cant wait for that!
Then i guess Shogun could fight Jardine..
what are your thoughts guys?
its funny how forrest said he had no intrest fighting machida and hes gonna have to now if he can keep the title long enough,but if the ufc decides to let wandy have forrest then i think wandy ko’s forrest then as champ sets up rampage vs wandy 3
or the ufc could decide if anderson silva wins in quick devistating fashion he has earned his 205 stripes and have a shot at the title?MAYBE?
Wand vs Jackson 3 is a good fight, I just wish there was a title in it… I think the UFC likes Wand but doesn’t want him to win any titles any time soon…. he was their enemy and people questioned Wand vs Chuck for a long time… so I think Dana is happy that Chuck one their fight and I don’t see it happening again just for the sake of pride…. Wand will probably fight Jackson, and if Jackson comes in like he did against Forrest, (hope so) he is gonna get knocked out.
Machida will get the title grab at Forrest, that is my opinion, how could he not, the only other option they have is setting Griffin up with the winner of Chuck vs Rashad, or have him fight Anderson Silva, which Anderson would win hands down via ko in round 1 so I don’t think Forrest will hang on long, he has too many good fighters gunning for him, heck if Jackson had actually shown up to fight he would have beaten him…
@BV,
Just came across this post where the FightMetric guys go into detail and explain their scoring for the Jackon-Griffin fight. Thought you might want to check it out.
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/07/07/griffin-vs-jackson-the-numbers-that-matter/
see part of why this breakdown bothers me is the same reason most everyones explanation bugs me… Rampage won the fight because he hits harder? no… no… no… maybe the scoring system flawed and doesnt look in to things like possible fight ending strikes over jabs, but did the fighters not know this? you can bet your asss both fighters knew its quantity over quality, they knew that and you cant just change the rules because it didnt work out for you. if the rules need to be changed then change them, but right now its too late for Rampage to get that win back. under the unified rule set using the 10-point must system Forrest won and Rampage lost thats it. im all for have the judging fixed to better suit the sport but under the current system how can you say Forrset didnt win? they say at least once in every show “the fight will scored on striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control” Forrest scored more strikes, more often, the grappling was a wash, Forrest got the better of the aggressive aspect thus giving him the majority of the octagon control. you dant take back a homerun in base ball because your working on moving the fence back at some point, you dont take back a touchdown because you working on making it less downs someday, and you dont take back a fighters win because he won under a flawed system. should i lobby to have Lyotos wins taken back because he bores me? NO because he won them by following the rules and guide lines of the sport and working it in his advantage.
sorry once again for the long one guys lol.
sure, they say “the fight will scored on striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control” but what does that mean?
They dont say “scored on number of strikes” and they dont say “scored on power of strikes”.
What does “aggression” even mean? I can be aggressive for 3 rounds and still get my but kicked. And what the heck is octagon control?? lol
yeah true enough, but like i said both fighters know hows the scoring goes. i know if me and you get in the ring and you land five good power shots but i peppered you with 30 or 40 crappy punches that im very likely going to win right? when you know thats how they see things you gotta work with that, if Rampage had scored one good takedown in every round he probably would have won 48-46 (because of round 2 being 10-8) because we all know they score huge on takedowns, Rampage knows that, Forrest knows thats, everyone knows that so we gotta accept it a work with it. is this system flawed? yep! but its the system we use so we use what we can to our advantage and try to stop the other guy from doing the same. i almost wish they could just forget that match ever happened and have a do over.
well said
Thanks for the link Doc, helped shed some light on why FM scored it as a draw. They gave Rampage the 1st and 3rd rounds although Forrest landed more punches, but atleast we know how they got to 47-47.
Forrest landed more “strikes” not punches. 10 of the 14 strikes FM scored were front leg kicks
Ya thats what i meant, strikes. I can see the arguement for a draw, but its open to interpretation, check my post below.
i guess we CAN all agree that they need to take a long hard look at the 10-point must system and make some real adjustment to better suit MMA because its NOT boxing and you shouldnt try to judge it like a boxing match.
Nicely put RJ, i especially like the baseball anology hehe. The scoring system is very flimsy and open to interpretation at this point which is really unfair for the fighters. Its real easy to get robbed badly in a fight the way things are right now.. and consider this!
We all watched this fight 4-5 times, in some cases 7-8 times, with our pencils and our instant replays. The actual judges have to score this fight ON THE FLY! i mean you blink, or pause to write something down and you could very well miss a few strikes here and there..
So its not surprising that we often see questionable scorecards, these guys have a tough job man. Not that theyre shovelling coal or something, but alot of responsibility falls in their hands. A fighters future and his bankroll is all in their hands.
Then you have the ref aspect, those guys have a tough job too, but both the judges and the refs are in a very precarious situation in every fight and its tough to make the right call everytime..
Maybe we should cut these guys some slack, until someone decides on a better way to call these fights. I know i cant think of anything off hand.
Whatever happened to Eddie Bravos scorecard?? atleast that would give us 1 more persons interpretation of the fight.
yeah ive been wondering about the Eddie Bravo thing for a while, i remember he wasnt there for a bunch of cards and then he was there for one and i thought he just took a little break but he hasnt been back since then. and with the judges and stuff i just want to clear up that i dont think they suck or made the wrong choice and i dont want to rag on them at all, i think its the system they are made to follow that is flawed. it tough to think up a system that works for this sport aside from getting ex fighters to judge and have them base it on who they think won the fight, who just did better, who came the closest to finishing the fight. but that system is crap too because one judge scores big for close sub attempts and another judge score big for good striking, so who wins? they need a clear cut way of deciding whos winning.
Heres an idea.. how about MORE judges, imagine the criminal system only had 3 members in a jury. If there were like 12 judges instead of 3, im sure we could get much more accurate decisions. There would be alot of variation for sure, but how it is now, if just one judge is off the wall, it could change the whole fight. With something like 12 judges, even with 1 or 2 mistakes, i think the overall consensus would be closer to a fair outcome.
i wanna try something, tell me what you think. fighter-A and fighter-B circle each other for about 15 sec. both landing 2 or 3 light jabs, at 16 seconds in fighter-B lands a head kick and puts fighter-A on his asss, immediately fighter-A scrambles to his feet and shoots in and gets a takedown, for the rest of the round fighter-A lays on top of fighter-B while they exchange light punchs, elbows, and submission attempts. who wins this round, sometime they score it for the guy who controlled the top position and did really nothing with it, sometimes they score it for the guy who landed the big head kick and dropped him for a split second. how do you score it?
a whole bunch of judges could be good.