Comments on: Why All The Randy Hate? http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/ ...MMA News and Analysis... Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:06:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Dr J http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16931 Dr J Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:05:20 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16931 point taken point taken

]]> By: bvrasp http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16930 bvrasp Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:00:26 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16930 Doc, i understand that your somehow trying to justify their decision to give Lesnar a shot, even though you dont think he deserves one. The problem was in the comparison you made, bringing up elite fighters like that gives people the wrong idea about your point. What you should have said was that Lesnar is a huge draw and he can boost the ppv numbers, and thats all. There is no other legitimate reason for them to give him a shot, no comparisons, nothing. This is the reason why i initially said it was a circus, because even Elite hasnt tried to make Kimbo the champ... yet. Doc, i understand that your somehow trying to justify their decision to give Lesnar a shot, even though you dont think he deserves one. The problem was in the comparison you made, bringing up elite fighters like that gives people the wrong idea about your point.

What you should have said was that Lesnar is a huge draw and he can boost the ppv numbers, and thats all. There is no other legitimate reason for them to give him a shot, no comparisons, nothing.

This is the reason why i initially said it was a circus, because even Elite hasnt tried to make Kimbo the champ… yet.

]]> By: R.J. St.Croix http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16928 R.J. St.Croix Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:00:16 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16928 well it appears the lines have been drawn and people have chosen there sides. on one side we have the people who are disgusted by the match making of the UFC in giving Brock Lesnar a shot at the title, on the other side we have the people who show a bit more understanding towards the UFCs thought process, with a small minority in the middle who ether love the idea or could give a flying sh*t about any of it. my question now is (no matter what category you fit in) if you were in charge how would you have handled the situation? remember they have Nog vs. Mir already booked for Dec.27 for a five round title fight. well it appears the lines have been drawn and people have chosen there sides. on one side we have the people who are disgusted by the match making of the UFC in giving Brock Lesnar a shot at the title, on the other side we have the people who show a bit more understanding towards the UFCs thought process, with a small minority in the middle who ether love the idea or could give a flying sh*t about any of it. my question now is (no matter what category you fit in) if you were in charge how would you have handled the situation? remember they have Nog vs. Mir already booked for Dec.27 for a five round title fight.

]]> By: Dr J http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16927 Dr J Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:02:17 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16927 no idea really. no idea really.

]]> By: Lam http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16926 Lam Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:13:10 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16926 Oh ok. Do you think that it will change? Oh ok. Do you think that it will change?

]]> By: Drehog http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16925 Drehog Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:43:02 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16925 I'm well aware that you've said (multiple times) you don't think he deserves one. My problem was in your defense of the UFC giving it to him. I’m well aware that you’ve said (multiple times) you don’t think he deserves one. My problem was in your defense of the UFC giving it to him.

]]> By: Dr J http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16924 Dr J Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:58:15 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16924 I'm not defending Lesnar getting a title shot. In fact, if you read my comments, I have explicitly said several times that I don't think Lesnar should be getting a title shot at this point. What I was doing was simply giving examples of the UFC's title shot matchmaking in the past to use as a comparison point. I'll say it again, I DONT THINK BROCK DESERVES A TITLE SHOT at this point. I’m not defending Lesnar getting a title shot.

In fact, if you read my comments, I have explicitly said several times that I don’t think Lesnar should be getting a title shot at this point.

What I was doing was simply giving examples of the UFC’s title shot matchmaking in the past to use as a comparison point.

I’ll say it again, I DONT THINK BROCK DESERVES A TITLE SHOT at this point.

]]> By: Drehog http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16923 Drehog Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:31:49 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16923 Doc, I normally agree with a lot of what you have to say, but I think you're way off base on this one. Your "defense" of the UFC's giving Lesnar a title shot by comparing him to Jackson, Silva, et al is ridiculous as has already been pointed out. Lesnar's experience fighting doesn't even come close to matching ANY of the guys you mentioned. Secondly, you said: "Sure, Randy’s image will take a bit of a hit now, but wait a week or two, and especially after UFC 91, and no one will remember any of this nonsense." IF Randy would lose to Brock @ UFC 91, there will be a ton of backlash on this one. While I admit that as a society we have extreme ADD and only focus on the current news, I don't think you can just assume the furor will be over quickly because we all want it to be. While I don't think Lesnar will beat Randy, if he were to pull off the big upset (stranger things have happened over the last 2 years), I don't think anyone will be forgetting all of this nonsense to quickly. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled Randy will be fighting again (any idea if he'll be back commenting?), I can't say that I necessarily disagree with any of the comments you quoted in the beginning of your post either. Doc,

I normally agree with a lot of what you have to say, but I think you’re way off base on this one. Your “defense” of the UFC’s giving Lesnar a title shot by comparing him to Jackson, Silva, et al is ridiculous as has already been pointed out. Lesnar’s experience fighting doesn’t even come close to matching ANY of the guys you mentioned.

Secondly, you said: “Sure, Randy’s image will take a bit of a hit now, but wait a week or two, and especially after UFC 91, and no one will remember any of this nonsense.” IF Randy would lose to Brock @ UFC 91, there will be a ton of backlash on this one. While I admit that as a society we have extreme ADD and only focus on the current news, I don’t think you can just assume the furor will be over quickly because we all want it to be. While I don’t think Lesnar will beat Randy, if he were to pull off the big upset (stranger things have happened over the last 2 years), I don’t think anyone will be forgetting all of this nonsense to quickly.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled Randy will be fighting again (any idea if he’ll be back commenting?), I can’t say that I necessarily disagree with any of the comments you quoted in the beginning of your post either.

]]> By: bvrasp http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16922 bvrasp Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:04:01 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16922 I wouldnt put Randy on the level of Kalib Starnes Amir hehe.. and Lutter missed weight on a title fight, its terrible, but it was just one mistake, everyone makes mistakes. I still have alot respect for him as a fighter. If you think about it, Randy made a mistake too, it was one huge year long mistake, but its not like the guys a douche or something. Thats why i still have alot of respect for Randy too. He messed up, now hes getting back into the cage to make up for it. Where i have a problem is matching him with Lesnar, its just ridiculous in my opinion. I wouldnt put Randy on the level of Kalib Starnes Amir hehe.. and Lutter missed weight on a title fight, its terrible, but it was just one mistake, everyone makes mistakes. I still have alot respect for him as a fighter.

If you think about it, Randy made a mistake too, it was one huge year long mistake, but its not like the guys a douche or something. Thats why i still have alot of respect for Randy too. He messed up, now hes getting back into the cage to make up for it.

Where i have a problem is matching him with Lesnar, its just ridiculous in my opinion.

]]> By: bvrasp http://www.mmahq.com/2008/09/04/why-all-the-randy-hate/comment-page-1/#comment-16921 bvrasp Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:58:45 +0000 http://www.mmahq.com/?p=1943#comment-16921 hehe i said Veterans and Champions, not all Champions, but what i mean was theyre all experienced and highly ranked fighters, whereas Lesnar is essentially a baby in MMA. hehe i said Veterans and Champions, not all Champions, but what i mean was theyre all experienced and highly ranked fighters, whereas Lesnar is essentially a baby in MMA.

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