Remeber Chuck Liddell’s infamous appearance on that Texas morning news show? Yeah, the one where he appeared to be drugged but was just high on pain and cold medication? Well, remember how Chuck said he wanted to fight Tommy Morrison for his next fight? Looks like Tommy’s practicing… The World Fighting Championship announced today that Tommy Morrison will make his MMA debut on June 9 against 340lb. John Stover at the Cliff Castle Casino in Arizona. Personally, I doubt if this is anything more than a money-grab by Morrison and a promotional hype for the WFC.
May 10, 2007 – Tommy “The Duke” Morrison, one of the most intriguing boxers to even step into the squared circle, shocked the MMA world this week by announcing his intention to fight 340 lb. John Stover, an experienced cagefighter with 8 professional fights, on June 9, 2007 at the Cliff Castle Casino (www.cliffcastlecasino.net) in Arizona in Gino Carlucci’s World Fighting Championship (www.thewfc.com).
Morrison’s bombshell announcement comes over a decade after his previous bombshell announcement that rocked the boxing world that he had tested positive for AIDS. Morrison, however, has been symptom free for 10 years now and claims that he was the victim of a false positive test result. He recently started boxing again and was cleared to return to the ring by the West Virginia Athletic Commission after passing a battery of medical tests in Arizona, the results of which were forwarded to West Virginia.
Best known to the general public for his role as Tommy Gunn in Rocky V, Morrison was on top of the boxing world before a single test result in 1996 took it all away. But Morrison (46-3-1, 40 KOs) was no celluloid tiger and was a significant fighter and box office draw. George Foreman, for example, lost to only five fighters in his career and Morrison is one. Morrison also held a share of the heavyweight title on two occasions.
“I had just signed a three-fight deal with Don King,” Morrison recalls, “that was going to lead to showdown with Mike Tyson that was worth $38 million. My first fight was against Stormy Weathers in Las Vegas, but then came the test result and the fight was cancelled. I estimate that cost me around $100 million in fight purses over the past 10 years.”
Morrison was spurred to start cagefighting by an interview that Chuck Liddell gave on Good Morning Texas where Liddell called out Morrison and said he wanted to fight him. “I couldn’t believe that,” Morrison says. “It’s one thing to talk about fighting someone but another thing to actually do it. Let’s see if Chuck Liddell’s heart is as big as his mouth. He is crazy to want to get into the cage with me. I beat George Foreman. Nobody in the history of boxing hit harder than George Foreman. So why would I be afraid to get hit by Chuck Liddell? He should be the one to be afraid. Liddell has never been hit by anyone like me. Dana White always talks about how a top cagefighter like Liddell could beat a top boxer so here’s a chance to make it happen. I want to know if Liddell and Dana White really mean what they say or if they are just full of talk. I will take on Chuck Liddell anytime, anyplace, anywhere.”
Morrison’s first step in his mixed martial arts career will be followed and reported on around the world and “The Duke” is dead serious about his upcoming fight. “I’m really excited to be fighting in the WFC and I feel like a whole new world has been opened up to me. If you want to see the future of mixed martial arts then come to the Cliff Castle Casino in Camp Verde Arizona on June 9, 2007…because that future is me.”
For ticket and travel information for Tommy Morrison’s cagefighting debut go to www.thewfc.com and www.cliffcastlecasino.net. For all media requests contact Peter McKinn at 602-405-5661.
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2 months ago I weighed 208lbs at 5ft 8in.. 27% body fat.. I am dieting and training down, I am currently at 183lbs 23% body fat.. so I dunno, seems like a pipe dream to me.. UFC, going pro.. my brother called me this week, he actually promotes kickboxing and MMA on a smaller scale down south.. he is trying to get me in on it and wants me to fight again.. I told him maybe.. dunno we will see..
why did i think u were 40?i have no idea
My brother owns a martial arts school… he is 43 years old.. he is really good too …
Cool doc!!!!
@Rich
Dunno why you thought that.. probably the same reason I thought you had 6 kids.. lol
I am excited about this rankings addition doc.. hope it picks up around the web.. I think its the best idea yet..
u got a black belt in muay thai and a brown in jiu jitsu u should go for it man u got the best of both worlds
rich you sound like my brother.. lol.. whatever.. I don’t know if the risk is worth it..
Not getting mangled for no 2k purse.. the UFC under pays.. I know some boys down south, Danny Dring and company that are starting an MMA group and will be putting on shows, if I am in good enough shape.. aka 170lbs and 16% body fat or less. then I might give it another run.. thing is everyone knows BJJ now.. back 10 years ago, NOBODY knew it, so I was dominating like crazy, now the competition is thicker… lol
@ doc or anyone, so does this mean that the tape delay on spike tv of ufc 76 with be for free, or will they just show the fight after it acually happens and we would have to order it on pay per view still?
So has anyone heard any news about any interesting boxers lately? … lol sorry I have no names because there are no interesting boxers… lol
@Richard
So is Hillbilly.. aka Dennis gone forever or what dude?
well i guess ufcjunkie is reporting that i guess wanderlei silva will meet his better (maybe)
that is chuck……….
lol.
@Todd
Now I know for sure your provoking boy! lol!
Alot of Background info about our fellow mmahq members. I know you guys are dying to know about me lol. Jokes.. but incase anyone cares, i just turned 29 on thursday, i got no kids, im 5-10 200 lbs, i got a brown belt in Fred Villaris Kempo Karate. Ive done alot of miscellaneous training with friends of mine, wing chun, krav maga, jeet kune do, about the last 2 years i started training in BJJ and muai thai with my buddy also.
Af far as weapons go, the longest i trained was 2 years in jo staff (my preferred weapon of choice), 1 year in samurai sword and the last 6 months i been experimenting with alot of different kinds of knife fighting. (very interesting stuff!)
Oh i spent 2 years in the army in my country infantry division, ive fired m1 rifles, m77 zastapha (like a mini AK from yugoslavia), G4, G3A3 (this was my main weapon, plastic composite, weighed about 4 pounds, dismantle and reassemble blindfolded in 49 sec) I miss my baby!!!! :((… other than that, i fired the .50 cal machinegun (about 100lbs without the tripod, how sweet it is..) I fired an rpg and some kind of bazooka (it was called oplo polivolo, and it took 2 guys to shoot, one to aim and fire, the other to kneel down and hold the guy around the waist.) plus an wide assortment of shotguns and rifles. (my best friends fathers a gunsmith) he made some AWESOME weapons man! holy sht!! we were like 12 years old, this guys pulls out this double pistol grip pump action Defender shotgun! holds 8 shots! man i wish i had one of those! haha
Wow!! I have just spent the better part of 2 hours reading some of these comments and It blows my mind at some things people think. First, this Dave who was in camp training with Tommy Morrison. sorry I haven’t been around, but had another fighter training for a WBO belt in Los Angeles. I have read all the comparisons between MMA fighters nd boxers. Let me tell you, you can’t compare them!! They are 2 totally different sports!! both boxers and MMA fighters are by far, the most superior athletes in the world. But when you try to compare them, it is like comparing oranges to apples!! If doesn’t fit….you must acquit. Let me simplify this for you. If you took a boxer and had him fight an MMA fighter 100 times, with standard boxigng rules, the boxer would win 90 out of 100. If you took an MMA fighter and had him fight a boxer 100 times, with standard MMA rules, the MMA fighter would win 90 out of 100 times. Although the sports have their similarities, they are two different sports!! A boxer might have a slight edge because the fight starts from a stand up position, so if the boxer catches the MMA fighter with a good shot right off the bat, the MMA fighter is in trouble. Granted, there are MMA fighters with very good stand up skills. I can’t dispute that! But on a whole, very few MMA fighter can go toe to toe with a boxer. Now, if any boxers steps into the ring, octagon, or my backyard for that matter, and the fight goes to the ground, the boxer is in deep trouble!! I am sure some boxers have wrestling backgrounds and might be able to do OK on the ground, but as a whole, (Listen all you road scholars cause this is where it gets tricky) most boxers wouldn’t last a minute on the ground with most MMA fighters. That is not what they train for!! If you doubt me, ask Johnny Morton!! It behooves me to think an NFL player can train for a short time and get into the ring with a trained professional MMA fighter and compete!! You saw the result! So, anyone who tries to compare MMA and boxing, doesn’t really know either sport very well!
Now, let’s talk about Big John Stover. Big John is not a boxer! When the rules were changed at the last minute, his chances to win were virtually gone. How can you expect an MMA fighter (with not too much experience) to step into a cage with a 2-time heavyweight champion and win under those conditions?? Don’t forget, Tommy is a seasoned veteran who has fought the best in the world. I have said this before in interviews, I give John Stover all the credit in the word for even stepping into the cage with Tommy under those conditions!!
John could of easily said “Hey, this isn’t what I do!!” He didn’t. He got into the cage and competed! I give him all the credit in the world for even fighting under those conditions!! I guarantee you, there are few MMA fighters in the world that will step into the ring with Tommy Morrison with 4 ounce gloves and have a boxing match!! Anyone who thinks they would last any length of time with Tommy under those conditions, is a fool. So, before you start in on John Stover, I suggest you go see him fight under MMA rules and then make your judgments. I think he would surprise a lot of people. From what I saw, the guy is strong as an ox. He is just not a boxer by trade like Tommy is. So, there you have it. MMA is a great sport, just like boxing is. The bottom line, however, is you can’t compare the two because as much as they are the same, they are even more different.
Thanks and I will post again soon!! Love the comments!!
@ RBF Dave
Excellent post. I’m glad you said what you did. As a fighter that has been in the ring I can understand exactly what you are talking about. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I had used 4 oz. gloves while boxing back in the Ma. Golden Gloves in 83-84. Somebody could have been killed. When I read these posts about boxers using pillows it blows my mind as well. Like I said in an earlier post, imagine Liddell or Silva getting hit by Hearns or Hagler with 4 oz. gloves. They’d be dead!! And I’ve said many times over and over again, if the mma fighter gets them to the ground it is over. But you are correct, a pro mma against a pro boxer standing up with 4 oz. gloves is suicide. Why is this so difficult for people to comprehend?
rbf dave
come back man we are always looking for new people
BVRASP
i always wondered how old u where
KANSAS
i think hillbilly is gone man a shame i really liked arguing with him
I will be posting more frequently. Talk to everyone soon!!
RBF Dave
well since we are all giving up our stats…this is me:
im 28 i’ll be 29 in a couple months most of you know i have a sh*t load of kids (6 to be exact) 5’11″ and about 166lbs. the only black belt i have is the one that holds up my pants, like B.V. i’ve done a bunch of informal training (muay thai, BJJ, boxing, wrestling) you know the normal sh*t you try to pick up if your a wanna be fighter. i have a few am fights (7-1-0) and sh*t load of underground and street fights. when i was in public school and high school most people though of me as the toughest guy around and other tough guys always wanted to test me so i got a lot of fight experience weather i wanted to or not. i think that why i have so much respect for a person who gets in a ring and throws down every couple of months because i know how hard fighting can be.
and to Kansas. if you think you should fight for a living go for it man dont let nothing hold you back i really regret not going for it back when i didnt have as much to worry about with my home life. i could have been the one on t.v. you guys are talking about but weed and girls and bare knuckle street fight put an end to that.
My outlook on it is as such… Morrison hits like a tank, and Liddell is awsome…. Good Fight….. Morrison got 2 rounds to knock Chuck out, if not, the advantage goes to the Ice Man…. But don’t count Morrison out…. The dude is cocky and mean for a reason…….cause he got what it takes to back it up. If Liddell takes him lightly, Morrison will knock him out oin 30 seconds…..I am really wanting to see if Liddell got the brass to stand toe to toe with the Duke… His best bet is to get Morrison on the ground… If not… Morrison KO’s Liddell in 2 rounds… Morrison’s boxing % for knock outs is 3rd round, 90%. Lets get it on…Lets see if Morrison can cash in on Liddell….
@Sir Franky
i dont think we will ever see these two throwdown just because Tommy wont fight an mma rules fight and i dont see Liddell having a boxing match. as much as i would love to see a hand full of big mouth boxers jump over to mma and see that they are NOT second rate fighters it will never happen because boxers wont fight with mma rules. i’m not sure if it arrogance, ignorance, or fear that make boxers call mma “human **** fighting” or “failed fighters with no where to go” but just one time i would like to see a big name boxer in his prime try to prove that mma fighter are second rate.
This is never going to happen. It is that simple. There is no reason for a boxer to fight mma rules. Would a top mma fighter fight standing up with with no grappling? Of course not. Nobody is saying that a boxer would win mma rules. (not even me) lol. But again for the 195th time, if Liddell fought Morrison standing up he is going to get pulverized. If Liddell takes Morrison to the ground then he will submit him. Done!! All I’ve seen on these posts is how people want to tell us all how great these mma guys are at fighting. They are not great fighters if you compare them to a boxer pound for pound. They are great at the sport they compete in, MMA. Lennox Lewis would have humiliated Fedor standing up. It would have been worse than the beating Holmes gave to Cobb. But mma rules, then Fedor submits Lewis. Finished. Are we still going on about this? Can we please stop? Allen Iverson can beat Tom Brady 1 on 1 in basketball and Tom Brady can throw a football more accurate than Allen Iverson. Is everybody ok with this?
R.J.. I agree…. I thought that it was unfair that Morrison had the rules bent against Stover…. If Tommy is gonna do it , do it right…… I think if he really gets in Chuck’s face, like he said he was gonna do at his press confrence, then Chuck would accept the challange… Lets face it… THey both want each other in the worst way now…. It’s gonna happen rather it be in the cage, or in the alley behind a local pub, at one point in time, Liddell, and Morrison are gonna cross paths. I am really waiting to see if Morrison shows up at the next Liddell fight just to stir the pot like he said he was. I am not sure if he was at Chuck’s last press conference or not, but I would have loved to have seen it.
@MRTK
i know you have a strong opinion about this but your not having an open mind at all about this argument at all. some of your statements make you sound ignorant eg. “Lennox Lewis would have humiliated Fedor standing up. It would have been worse than the beating Holmes gave to Cobb.” Fedor is a highly trained athlete who would most likely get beat in a boxing match with some one like Lewis, but humiliated? i really doubt that. and what about “If Liddell takes Morrison to the ground then he will submit him.” have you ever seen Chuck Liddell fight? hes not really into taking people down and submitting them. a lot of mma fighters have boxing backgrounds. you act as if you are the only fan around here who has any fighting experience and thats just not true. you come on here and talk sh*t to a fighter who lost because they changed the rules at the last min. do think if an hour before the fight they told Morrison just before the fight he wasnt aloud to punch and it was muay thai rules he still would have won? come on man your comming on an mma site telling us the sport that we love is not as good as we think it is, how about you go to the wwe website and talk sh*t to them or something? mma is a real sport with real athletes who would NOT get walked over by a boxer in any combat sport and im not saying they would win, but they wouldnt get killed. im damn sure a mma fighter would do much better in a boxing match then a boxer would do in an mma fight. someone like Nog would probably have Morrison on his back tapping in 3 or 4 min. in mma but it would probably take Morrison 5 or 6 round to k.o. Nog at least. just give it some though bro.
@R.J.
Let me just say that if Liddell is dumb enough to fight Tommy only standing up, then he should admit himself to an institution for insanity. It would take Morrison 5 or 6 rounds to ko Nog? Are you kidding me or are you kidding yourself? You obviously did not read my post very well. Now I will say this for the 196th time. I’m going to print this in all capital letters so you finally will get the drift. IF THEY FIGHT MMA RULES THE MMA FIGHTER WILL WIN. OK????????
Lennox Lewis is one of the top 5-10 fighters of all time. Maybe higher. Just an opinion. Fedor could step in the ring with him and make a good account of himself? I wonder what RBF Dave would think of that comment since he has been in the corner of boxers. Fedor is not a boxer, I believe his background is sambo. It is sad that you believe he could now only box against boxers. It doesn’t work that way. Believe me it doesn’t. That would be like me telling you that Sugar Ray Leonard would have beaten Matt Hughes in a wrestling match.
Oh by the way, I am not knocking mma. If that was the case I would not be taking my wife to the fight on the 25th. You’ve got me all wrong. I never said a boxer could beat an mma guy with mma rules. But you are telling me that the mma guy could come close with boxing rules. You are way off on this. It’s a totally different level.
I’d like you to think about something: how do you think Fedor would have done against one of the greatest Olympic wrestlers (superheavyweight) of all time? Bruce Baumgartner. Just think what would have happened if he learned submission. You’d be talking about him right now. Look what rulon Gardner did to that Judo guy. Just think if he learned submission.
@MRTK
i wasnt trying to say an mma fighter would win in a boxing match OR vice versa i was saying i think an mma fighter would do better boxing then a boxer would do in mma. and yes i do believe Morrison would have a hard time knocking out Nog. Bob Sapp was standing in Nogs guard throwing bombs at him with four oz. gloves and couldnt knock him out and i have a real hard time believing Morrison wearing boxing gloves, standing throwing punches and someone also standing can damage you more then Bob Sapp wearing 4oz. gloves, standing and trowing punches at someone laying down it doesnt make a lot of sense. i’m not sure why you think boxers hit SO much harder but i dont buy it. i need some proof of this.
@MRTK
one more thing, call me dumb but i’m not really sure what you mean when you wrote “I’d like you to think about something: how do you think Fedor would have done against one of the greatest Olympic wrestlers (superheavyweight) of all time? Bruce Baumgartner. Just think what would have happened if he learned submission. You’d be talking about him right now. Look what rulon Gardner did to that Judo guy. Just think if he learned submission.” please elaborate so i can really think about what your saying. i dont want you to get the wrong idea, i’m not trying to disrespect you at all i just like to argue with you because you are one of the only boxing fans i know of that makes some REAL points in this debate and you are arguing on the side i’m not. i would just say let agree to disagree but i kinda look forward to reading opinion so i can be a d*ck and tell you, your wrong and you can tell me i’m wrong and we can lock horns again LOL. so i will be back tomorrow so we can call each other stupid some more LOL.
R.J.
The point I’m trying to make is this. I think there have been several guys that would have beaten Emelianenko that never even went into the sport of mma. Look what happened to the gracie’s when everybody learned how to defend against BJJ. Now don’t take this the wrong way, Fedor is much different than the Gracie’s because he is not one dimensional. However, most of your top amateur and olympic wrestlers just go into coaching when their career is over. During their prime, they just stay in wrestling. Example: If Dan Severn had learned submission and finishing moves when he was younger, can you imagine how great he could have been. Royce got him to submit because he did not know what the hell BJJ was back in 1993. Nobody did. The matches were made in Royce’s favor. How about the great Russian that lost to Gardner? The biggest upset in Olympic wrestling history. I follow all of this. And what about the 2 guys that beat Gardner years later? Gardner beat a top judo guy in his 1st mma match, Right? I’m not talking out of my a–. I am giving you statistical facts. In black and white. You and I can argue all day long about this guy and that guy. But what I’ve just posted is not B.S.
Anybody can read this and call names like a little child, and that is sad. Although an intelligent person will say to himself: “he’s got a point, very interesting”.
By the way, the Russian wrestler was Alexander Karelin. The greatest Greco Roman wrestler ever. No opinion. Pure fact. The 2nd biggest upset in olympic history after the 1980 Hockey team.
Off to the office, have a good day.
R.J.
Go on to google and type in Alexander Karelin.
Can you imagine what he could have done and been in mma?
There has NEVER been a man in mma that had the physical attributes as karelin. Fedor never did what this man did in the world of any type of wrestling. If he ever trained mma he possibly could have brought the sport to a level we never could see.
Yes, that is correct, I am going out on a limb and saying he would have ruled.
lol, Rj. I like the way you think….. My thoughts…Hulk Hogan…..kick all their ***’s….lol…… I a,m curious on your thoughts of Brock Lesner as well. I saw his debut, and that dude taped outta sheer fear of having his head smashed in by Lesner. Ncaa champ, and he is built, and mean. Do you think he has a shot at being the top guy in the sport?
@MRTK
i will be sure to look into what you are talking about now that i have a better understanding of what you mean. i do agree with you that there is some one out there that could beat Fedor just as i’m sure there is someone out there that can beat Morrison it would be crazy to think otherwise. for all i know there might be a boxer that could beat Fedor in an mma fight and an mma fighter that could beat Morrison in boxing and untill we see a top ten boxer fight a top ten mma fighter in both sports we will never really know but i do stand on my opinion that an mma fighter would do better in boxing then a boxer would do in mma.
mrtk
all these guys u mention if they learned this and if they learned that it wouldnt of mattered saying if a fighter would know would make the possibilities endless now ur gardner guy out wieghed i think it was yoshida by like at least 60 lbs and he stood with him almost the whole time cuz he didnt want to get submitted and remember he was a olympic gold medalist.now lennox lewis might be one of the top boxers of all times but will never be one of the top fighters those spots are reserved for mma guys
Lennox Lewis sucks.. he was lucky to come in at a time when Holyfield and Tyson were on their way out…
Boxing is different than MMA.. they are both sports, all I can say is take away all rules, stick me in an alley with a boxer and watch me beat the shite out of the boxer.. period, you can call it arrogance or cockyness, I don’t care, it’s the truth… one trick ponies can’t compete with multidimensional fighters… 1 is less than 6 … if your smart enough you will catch that, if not, your gonna wake up at 2a.m. going ohhh just got that.. lol
@Kansas
this is completely off topic but i though you would appreciate this. this morning at 5am the fight network they showed a show called cage fighter and it was a highlight show of Cage Rage and the whole show was about Cyborg. it was awesome the last fight they showed was Cyborg vs. Melvin Manhoef and Cyborg lost that fight but man was that a good fight to watch! Cyborg was really showing off his Chuteboxe style and at the end of the fight both guys had there hands at there waist and they were both landing bombs on each other. LOL Cyborg was even smiling at him after taking a huge shot right on the chin.
rj
yeah that fight was great ,but i do agree with u on the bj penn doesnt deserve a title shot yet
No good reason BJ doesn’t deserve a title shot.. he man handled Pulver, has beaten Hughes, held the 170 title, and can man handle anyone in the division…. who are we amatures to sit around saying “he doesn’t deserve a title shot yet”? Well neither did Couture, but he sure as heck got one didn’t he? And he won didn’t he? Shoot, his last fight before the title fight was a LOSS! B.J. is coming off a huge win, and the fight before that was going his way until injury… so don’t give me that crap guys.. if you know MMA then you should know better…
@R.J.
Glad you can look at it both ways. Most people can’t do that. They’ll come on telling you this is the way it is. Always had a problem believing these boards on who is real and who isn’t. Most are full of crap and never did anything. They will tell you they were a fighter in their day of some sort but just by reading what they post you can tell they are nobodys and will always be that way. An accomplished person like myself that actually did it can pick up on it immediately. But I’m older now and not in my 20′s anymore.Two shoulder ops. prevent me from throwing a left. I know what I would have done to these clowns that tell you what they would do in an alley to somebody else. What a bunch of blowhards. I’ve actually done it. It’s incredible what somebody can write on a screen and who they can get to believe it. Oh well, I’ll be watching the big guy train. He lives right here in Ma. The people I know in the industry can get me in. Although I think Couture has a great shot.
KANSAS
pulver is not the pulver of past hes past his prime and a bj win over a sucky pulver is nothing he manhandled hughes a long time ago but more recently got a beating in his last match with hughes remember hughes out wrestled him and gave him punch after punch after punch to the face until big john had to step in,couture was brought in cuz there were no one else at the time in the heavyweight division that was ppv worthy,huge win garbage injury garbage it doesnt matter my point is there is a lot of talent in the 155lb division way to much for penn to just get a title earn it buddy and stop living on ur accomplishments of ur past and start proving urself in the future,lauzon also beat the hell out of pulver and faster
@MRTK
Listen MRTK whoever the heck you are, go directly challenging someone, and calling them out, thats pretty stupid…”Two shoulder ops. prevent me from throwing a left.” well stop jacking off and you will quit throwing it out… blow hard, give me a break, you are directly insulting me and my post, and calling me out. This is a board for opinion posts… not to challenge someones integrity and call them a lier or whatever. I am not a lier, I have experience just like you … google “danny dring” and check his site out… I got my Purple Belt in BJJ through his school in 1995, and a black belt in Taekwondo/Muay Thai in 1996…. or go to http://www.snydertkd.com/jujitsu.htm .. Berl Parsons was my Japanese Weeping Style Ju-Jitsu instructor for 5 years, the guy was a CIA operative under George Bush Sr. back in the 70′s when Bush was the Director of the CIA.. that is real experience pal, that is real life application, that is training with some real players… I have trained with world champions like Joe Lewis, Bill Wallace, and Royce Gracie and for a short time with boxing coach Sparky Mcduffie of the “West Monroe Boxing Club” in Monroe LA, so yeah I KNOW BOXING, I TRAINED IN IT MOST OF MY LIFE, and I KNOW MMA, I HAVE TRAINED MMA BEFORE MMA WAS MMA, since 1993 JUST CHECK OUT THE DRING SITE, IT TELLS THE STORY… by the way, I have a 24-1 amateur fighting record. … so don’t call someone out unless you really know them because the guys at the top of the comment spots on this site know that I am not a blow hard, I am not full of it, and you just made a complete a$$ of yourself amigo… but no hard feelings.. again its an opinion post.. you want to meet me and my training team, I will be at a training seminar in Russellville Arkansas at the local MMA school, my brother owns it, and we will have some Navy Seals training with us that just got out of Coronado as well as the Arkansas State Athletic Commissioner who I have known and trained with for over 17 years training with us, he is also a martial artist… you are welcome to come its on July 21st, but don’t complain about the pain, and prepare to sign a waiver at the door.. lol
Correction.. that seminar is July 28th…
@Richard
Okay, good points, however, the point regarding Couture, sticks – he was the only PPV worthy opponent? Okay, well I think that BJ PENN is the only PPV worth opponent.. lol.. if that is the qualifier than Houston we have a problem. Hughes didn’t kill Penn in their last fight, he got handled round one, he even admitted he thought that he was going to lose, he almost got tapped… second round Penn dominated until injury, I have seen the medical report…. and in his fight with GSP, well GSP’s face was torn up, and I as well as many thought the fight could have gone either way. Any way you look at it, Penn is indeed a top contender, and if the UFC is going to have Chuck Liddell fighting UNRANKED competition for the title like BABALU???? then what is wrong with having Penn fight for the LW title…
Without any official rankings system in the UFC, it allows them to match these guys up any way they want. So you dont actually have to beat everyone in the division before you get a title shot. Theyre looking at the guys overall accomplishments and just basically giving him a shot if they respect his game.
Apart from that, like you were saying Kansas, its about who puts the asses in the seats. At 155 right now, who better to bring in the cheese than BJ Penn? Its not Sherk, and hes the champ lol.
Look what they did for Rampage.. he didnt have to battle his way through like 5-6 guys to get his shot vs Chuck. They recognized his skills, plus he beat chuck before, generate some hype, and in turn, generate sht loads of cash.
BJ is that guy.
@Rich
one other thing… with regard to Pulver… I AGREE WITH YOU MAN! He is washed up, like B.J. said he built his career on his knockout win over Penn, period, and now he is second rate competition, not even top ten, probably not even top 15, BUUUUUUT a lot of people on this very website picked him to beat B.J. … and B.J. dominated him badly.. so I think a four man tourney would drum up some PPV and get people to look at the LW division.. I think B.J. should be included, but I don’t think they should just HAND him the title.. and besides, if he fights the number one guy… what are you worried about, if he doesn’t DESERVE it then I guess you don’t think he has the ability to WIN it so why do you care anyways? If Penn is what you say, then he won’t win at any rate, but I think you and everyone else already know that if he trains full speed and fights for it he will win it and that makes some people indignant.
@BV
You said it…. I am just making my title shot picks based on the way the UFC does it, I predict B.J. IF HE WANTS THE 155 will get the shot and win the title..
Hell.. i picked Jens to beat BJ.. Looked to me like Jens wanted it more, and BJ was being lazy like usual.. To my surprise, and delight, Bj came in to that fight conditioned and determined to win.
Ya, guys can say Jens is done, and maybe he is, but that fight had nothing to do with Jens. It was all about BJ, it was about how BJ performed, how his conditioning held up, how bad he wanted to win that fight. In that case, the opponent didnt even matter. Thats why i say BJ is back. Not because he beat some great fighter, but because he seems to have gotten over his little slump.
Exactly, i dunno why these guys cant put 2 and 2 together. BJ can hang with world class competition at 170!! drop him down to 155 and people are doubting his ability?? really im shocked.. hes a force to be reckoned with at 155, they better start rolling in all the worlds best 155 fighters if they want to test BJ.. He may very well be the best 155 fighter in the world!
Hey Kansas, you see the little scuffle at the weigh in for Winky wright vs Hopkins? lol.. theyre trying to generate some hype for boxing, how much you wanna bet its gonna be another boring boxing match that will go the full distance.. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz