- I find myself starting to agree with Dana White more and more: Anderson Silva probably is the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world right now. Anderson’s ability to defeat and embarrass his opponents is impressive and second to none.
- Watching Anderson Silva bob-and-weave and seeing his striking hand speed make me want to see the potential boxing match with Roy Jones Jr. all the more.
- Forrest Griffin needs to learn to accept his defeats like a man or he will quickly lose all the fans he has. We’ve seen Forrest sit in the corner and cry, give a one sentence answer to Joe Rogan, and literally run from the Octagon twice now after losses. Part of being a top fighter and a champion is taking your losses and sticking around afterwards.
- There have been conflicting reports about a potential jaw injury to Griffin during the fight. Until we hear from Griffin himself we really won’t know, but in any case, Griffin looked awful. Forrest needs to fight brawlers and other “bulldog” type fighters, he simply can’t hang with the tactical fighters like Silva, Machida, or the like.
- As I said in my preview piece, Kenny Florian just didn’t have nearly enough to defeat BJ Penn. I personally don’t think anyone at lightweight can stop Penn right now: not Florian, not Diego Sanchez, not anyone else. Penn has always had the skills, and now that he is training properly and in shape he is top of the class at lightweight.
- I’ve watched it several times now and I really can’t come up with a definitive answer on whether the Johny Hendricks and Amir Sadollah fight was stopped early. It’s so hard to tell if Amir was out and a few extra punches woke him back up.
- He’s not that fun to watch, but Ricardo Almeida’s BJJ game is going to keep him in and win him many close fights. A guy like Kendall just doesn’t match up well for a jiu-jitsu ace.
- Kurt Pellegrino vs. Josh Neer was a fun fight.
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Anyone else hate hearing Kenny’s brother yelling? and who was it on here that said Kenny had better stand up than BJ? oh my god were you wrong! I do worry about the pase Diego sets and if BJ can keep it up, but BJ will probably stop him early. I noticed at lw BJ seems to pace himself better. rather the throwing everything out there in round 1. anyway I’m glad BJ’s back and I hope he stays at lw.
I still can’t say that I totally agree with Silva being hands down the #1 p4p fighter in the world. After all, fighters like Forrest Griffin and Rich Franklin are tailor made to make Silva look that much more impressive. I never thought Rich Franklin was fast and Griffin? well he’s obviously one of the slowest.
If Dana White really wants to surely prove to us how good Anderson really is, I’d like to see him face one of the better LHW’s out there. How about Brandon Vera? how about Jon Jones? how about Thiago Silva? or Shogun? my point is that there were much better fights out there and once again, they decided to put him in there with someone who would be slow and lumbering. Anderson vs. Chuck or Rashad or Rampage should have been done years ago and yet here we are. In the meantime, several months go by, fighters get injured, time is wasted and Silva isn’t getting any younger. Best fighter in the world? not so sure yet.
Jon Jones or Brandon Vera as some of the top LHW? Get real. Forrest would wipe the mat with either of those guys. You talk like Rich and Forrest were cans used just to showcase Silva. Both of them are former champs. I am by no means a Griffin fan, but give the guy some respect.
Thiago Sliva? lol didn’t he get knocked out by Machida.
Brandon Vera? lol hasn’t loooked good in years.
how about Anderson fighting Machida I beleive that would be the battle for #1 p4p. Until Fedor comes to the UFC people shouldn’t even have him in the top 10. maybe that would drive him to fight top teir talent.
Did I say top LHW? I didn’t think so. Obviously my point is lost on some of you. Silva will not fight Machida so who is left?
Rashad is hung up with Rampage so that’s out right?
BANNED: are you one of those “MMA experts” who believes that just because fighter A beats fighter B, that means he will beat
fighter C?
Thiago Silva is still a solid, aggressive fighter who I think would be a very interesting match-up against Anderson.
Did either of you criticizers read the UFC’s very own columnist Michael DiSanto write that in his opinion, the two best prospects to beat Silva are Drew McFedries and Vitor Belfort?
and then in the same article defend that Belfort has already beaten two UFC “contenders” in Lindland and Terry Martin? are you f—ing kidding me?
DREHOG: You think Griffin would “wipe the floor” with Brandon Vera or Jon Jones? what are you smoking? Does anyone have a logical opinion here. They say to be a true champion you need to defend your belt at least once. Your claim that just because Anderson beat Forrest and Forrest was a champion is ludicrous.
No one here is disrespecting Forrest by any means, I actually like him 10x more since reading his book but I certainly do not think that he has the necessary tools to compete with Silva.
Maybe if the UFC would actually put together a Vera/Forrest fight or a Jon Jones vs. Forrest fight we could make those arguments.
IMO, It’s pretty clear that the UFC’s middleweight division is depleted and there are very few legitimate challengers to face Silva. In fact, that’s already been the case for over a year. Rather than let him fight Rashad or Rampage or Shogun, they give him…well…we all know.
I personally picked Anderson to win by decision, i thought Forrest was tough and determined enough to hang in there. I think Silva really got in his head early, he clowned him and embarrased him, then knocked him out with a jab while moving backwards.
This was a different Silva than we have ever seen before, stepping to Forrest toe-to-toe and wanting to slug it out with him (probably because the fans booed him before the fight). Then keeping his hands down and dodging blows ala roy jones was definately to inject some interest in that potential boxing match.
As a huge Fedor fan, i have to conceed the #1 p4p spot to Anderson now, for a guy with so much skill in thai and jits he didnt even NEED it to embarass Forrest Griffin. Very impressive, i think its time for Anderson to make a permanent move to LHW and stop picking on the little guys at 185 hehe.
Amir:
MMA math does not work in all cases because styles make the fight. I mention that Thiago silva got knocked out by Machida because that shows his chin is weak. Anderson would more than likely do the same. so no I’m not a expert that thinks your abc bs. I think your mistaken thinking the men you named are better lhw’s. What has Jon Jones done do be a contender hes a rookie at best? Brandon vera? my god whens the last time he won let alone finish a fight? I dont care for forrest or franklin but they are former champs. I may be one of the only people out there that thought forrest would win via decision. I changed my pick after seeing the weigh ins. anderson looked bloated and a little out of shape. So I thought forrest would out work him and gas him. but I guess he has a glass jaw. he surprise me when he beat shogun and rampage so i thought he would surprise me again. now you mentioned shogun mma math says forrest beat him so anderson would win. lol If a in shape shogun shows up he could put up a hell of a fight and upset anderson. I think anderson is going to get over confident and get beat soon I really believe that. I mean who puts their hands down and dodges punches? If a great striker had been in there he would be on his ***. also you said machida is out well Dana said he is going to start making fighters fight with-in their own camps and he said he will make that fight happen. to keep interest in the ufc people are going to have to start fighting friends it must and has to happen so I thinkn it will.
I’m really not sure how Thiago Silva getting KO’d out by Machida shows he has a “weak chin”. I’m pretty sure Machida KTFO Rashad as well and even more violently. Does Rashad have a weak shin?
When had Rashad been KO’d before that? never.
I think that’s more of a testament to how good Machida is NOT how bad Thiago Silva is. I don’t see Anderson and Machida fighting anytime soon, if ever.
You said it yourself, styles make fights…and I don’t see what your hating about Vera. Yeah, he f–ked up and became a lazy, un-motivated. money-grubbing ******* for a while but I still think he is one of the most well-rounded athletic and dynamic Muay Thai guys out there and he would give Silva a decent run for an exciting fight.
As far as Jon Jones goes, I’ve never even actually seen him fight but I could tell what all the hype is about. The guy is super fast, accurate and explosive which I think would be a very interesting matchup.
Banned, i almost agreed with you when you said that Thiago would be a bad matchup, but then you said it was because Lyoto exposed his weak chin. You said styles make fights and you were on the right track there, because Lyoto and Anderson have similar styles its safe to assume Anderson would handle him much the same way. But when you said Thiago has a weak chin you kind of missed your own point.
So i agree that Anderson is a bad matchup for Thiago, but i agree with Amir in the sense that it said more about Lyotos skills than Thiagos chin.
About Anderson clowing around with his hands down etc, i was also a bit concerned but i think it had to do with the crowd booing him before the fight. Did you see the look on his face man? LOL he didnt like that ****, its like he was saying (whaaat?? oh ok.. lets see if you boo me after this). He didnt just fight or win, he entertained, lets face it.. the more fans you have in this sport, the more money you make.. period.
Amir, as you know im a big Franklin fan, hes an excellent fighter with very technical striking and footwork, plus he can handle himself on the ground. That being said, Anderson made him look terrible in both their fights, to the point where Rich was ready to leave the division to get away from this guy.
Im not a Forrest fan, but i do give him the respect he deserves for the wars hes been in, hes a tough guy but he doesnt have the skills that Franklin has. So not only did Silva embarass him, he made him look like he shouldnt even be mopping up the same mat that Andersons on.
The problem i have here is that people think these guys arent good fighters because he made them look so bad, Franklin especially. I mean we have seen Forrest take a BEATING on multiple occasions and still fight to the end as long as hes conscious. Anderson just frustrated him so much that it seemed like he made Forrest quit, one second hes goading him to slug it out, then when Forrest engages he backs up and counters.
He just made his life miserable man, for a professional fighter who does nothing but train, it was like Anderson was slapping around his baby brother or something. Thats why i wasnt surprised to see Forrest leave the building, he was just so ashamed man, i cant even imagine that feeling.
Oh i meant to adress Vera, Shogun, Jones, etc.. ill keep it brief :)
I dont think any of those guys can beat Anderson Amir, but then again.. who the hell CAN? nobody that i can think of and atleast your thinking of matchups hehe.
God have any of you ever been in a fight ? Ok let me try to explain thiago’s weak chin thing. he didn’t get rocked then recover then fight back he got hit with 1 big punch while on his back that knocked him out. now yes the back of his head hitting the canvas helps but his knock out was nothing like Rashads. and why are you on rashads sack? I never mentioned him or his knock out did i? and did you say you’ve never even seen jon jones fight? then why are you debating this? idiot! i’m done I can’t help but picture pimple faced little kids on the other end of this conversation. anyway someone getting knocked out easy compared to someone thats hard to knock out shows the quality of his chin and ability to take a punch. weak chins Forrest Arlovski sylvia. ok good chins fitch hendo guida. understand?
BV,
I’ve always liked Rich Franklin as a fighter myself and I think he’s gotten even way better and technical since his defeats to Silva. What I meant was that when he fought Anderson, it looked as if he was fighting ion slow motion and I haven’t heard anyone ever mention that. Griffin, even though he is certainly not as technical as Franklin, similarly does not have the skill set of speed to match Anderson. Who does? well I refuse to say no one, only because, in my opinion, the UFC has simply not made certain intriguing match-ups happen.
Can Shogun, Vera, Thiago, Jones beat Anderson Silva? there’s only one way to find out, right? I tell you what though, I know we as fans would win to see those happen.
As for this “Banned” clown, your analogies are clearly moronic or rather unclearly, I should say. Have I ever been in a fight? really? are you going to explain to me the molecular dynamics of a human skull hitting a canvas? as if that pertains to any of this.
“I mention that Thiago silva got knocked out by Machida because that shows his chin is weak.”—recognize that comment?
No I haven’t actually seen Jon Jones fight but I know he brings it every time and has an incredible skill set called S-P-E-E-D, which so far no one Silva has faced has!!!!
clearly moronic to a 15 year old kid maybe. I may not be very good at simplifing things for you to understand, nut at least I know the sport of mma and ahve actually watched the fights. idiot! lets just see how good you are on mma playground. I’m sure your a member of hq’s camp. lets see your ranking and the end of the day. you don’t know what your talking about its that simple. speed? lets see someone fast fight anderson. my god ok so faber could beta him huh. thats not what its going to take to beat him its acuracy, strength, speed and the right game plan which will take someone with experience not jon jones. I see machida fighting anderson early next year watch and see. and machida will probably win do to anderson being over confident. then they would rematch and anderson would win it back probably lol he will get humbled sooner than later which in turn will make him a better fighter.
Forrest is a little girl who runs and shrivels up and cries when things don’t go his way.
I bet BSN is loving their boy now! lolz
If I were BSN, I would be working to get the best in my camp, Silva, Machida, T. Silva, GSP, those guys… I cannot believe they put their money on F. Griffin and Nog – no offense but neither one a this point in their careers are gonna bring enough hype to justify that kind of top level sponsorship.
I am not a fan of Griffin, he lost my respect after the Jardine fight… I did like him in the Tito fight, but as of late, he is more lucky than skilled, conditioned than technical, so I would have to say after his post fight antics, he probably just lost most of his fans, most of his sponsors, and now the UFC is gonna try and find ways to despose of his whining tail soon yes very soon….
Ok knucklehead, all you can do is obviously resort to name calling rather than accept someone disagreeing with your crappy, distorted opinion. Most of us regulars here have had some disagreements but have always maintained some common courtesy and respected others opinions, which you don’t seem to be capable of.
uh……..”As for this “Banned” clown, your analogies are clearly moronic” yea. what were you saying about “common courtesy and respected others opinions” thats what I thought.
You know what your kinda right. I’m a real negative person that likes to argue. so for that I apologize. But usually that is the only time I comment on here is when I read something that I don’t agree with. so like my late mother said everyone is different and has a right to their own opinion. so heres to mma hq fight camp and web site keep up the great work.
Banned and Amir …. You guys need to just CAGE UP and get it on! Film that stuff and put it on the website… the’s much more entertaining than reading this stuff.. not that it’s not entertaining.. it really really is.. so by all means go ahead, but an actual match would be better.. :)
damn it Kansas, you beat me to it lol.
i’ll start with T. Silva’s “weak chin” and get that out of the way. forward motion – head movement + solid punch = KO in most cases, and that is sort of Thiagos style. it doesnt take THAT much power to KO someone, just the right amount of pressure and the right spot and thats all. a very accurate striker like Lyoto or Anderson will make even easier because they can touch that spot almost at will. now having said that, i will say that i dont think that Thiago has the best chin but he only has one loss on his record and its to the current LHW champ and one of the best fighters in the game right now, so weak chin or not it not really fair to write him off just yet. now going back to the top and Banneds comment about Fador having to go to the UFC to be called #1 P4P, and the influx of people with the same sort of comments. i understand that he hasnt fought the best of the best in the last little while but he has fought top tier scattered thought out his whole career and has never really looked bad, even when it looked like Arlovski was going to out strike him, he never looked like he might be in trouble. no matter who Fedor fights he preforms pretty much at the same high standard that he always does and no one else can say that, everyone else has had a bad fight including the guy everyone seems to thinks Fedor NEEDS to fight, Brock Lesnar, who has already had a stumble in his short career. Fedor does not need Brock to legitimize his career. consistency makes Fedor the best. just my 2 cents lol.
If Anderson or Machida came in at whatever weight they walk around at and fought Fedor I think they would beat him. hes not the technical striker that they are. we all saw holes in his game when he fought Arlovski who just got caught. he almost got knocked out by fujita. and how many times did Nog take him the distance? Fedor is not as good as people make him out to be. the Brock right now probably couldn’t beat him but give him time and he will be unstoppable. from what i’ve seen Machida is the best. I mean he’s never even lost a round. what does that tell you? look who hes beat BJ Bonnar rashad franklin tito. been fighting mma since 03 and unbeaten @ 15-0. the guys like the perfect weapon. takes little damage its sick. and the weak chin thing. the nerve is behind the jaw bone when a fighter gets gased and relaxes his jaw and breathes threw his mouth when hit the jaw goes back into that nerve turning off the lights. thats why you should keep your chin down like hendo and mouth shut like amir. lol. alot of fighters do jaw exercises on way to cage like kongo to strengthen the jaw. any human can be knocked out but its the ones who leave themselves open that do.
i dont know if you could say Arlovski showed Fedors holes, and the Fujita thing is one of those things that happen. what im getting at is in both cases (Arlovski and Fujita) how quick did he make the adjustment and finish the fight? as far as going to a decision with Nog, one time Nog has been finished AND anyone who watched Pride knows they would have let him continue in Japan, now stack those odds and it doesnt seem going to the cards with Nog is a big X on Fedor right? my question is if Lyoto finds himself losing the round could he make that adjustment? we dont know yet, so i wouldnt make Lyoto the favorite just yet. i have been saying for awhile that i would like to see Fedor vs. Anderson and now that hes proven himself i would also like to see Fedor vs. Machida, but unless something drastic happens i would have to make Fedor the favorite in both. and i know what you saying about the chin thing, i have all kinds of experience in the face punching field lol.
fedor in actuallty has never really lost either.
Im glad to see you guys were able to squash it, i love to listen to debate and be a part of it, but when people start getting mad it stops being fun for everyone. Were all adults here, most married with kids, lets keep it friendly guys.. this isnt sherdog lol
I know its frustrating sometimes, like when that dude had Miguel Torres at #1 p4p in the world, i went off the deep end lol.
talking about Sherdog… guess who made the P4P list? BRIAN BOWLES!! LOL. I said it as a joke the other day, but wow.. those guys really are deluded man. All it takes is 1 fight and your the best! lol
like i always say P4P is all about your personal prospective and thats why the idea of an “official pound for pound” is a joke.
a lot of people have a lot of different reasons for who they think is king and unless someone comes up with a solid criteria on how to judge P4P, the only one that will ever count to me is mine.